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Re: IRB World Rankings

Postby hugonaut » July 2nd, 2018, 1:47 pm

Lar wrote:
dropkick wrote:The average ranking of the big NH 5 (Ireland, England, France, Scotland, Wales) is now ahead of the average ranking of the SH big 4(NZ, Aus, SA, Arg). 10 years ago they were averaging about 10 ranking points ahead.


This is a point that was not lost on me also, although I had not looked at the averages. There were however no NH sides in the last four at the last RWC. Have they (we) improved that much since? Or are the SH sides building towards the next RWC without much regard for their rankings between tournaments?

Whilst the Bledisloe Cup is pretty important to Australia and NZ, I don't see the same intensity in the games between NZ and RSA that there used to be. Whereas the Six Nations is still massively important to the NH sides.


Transformation has been a big road bump for SA [which they are over now]. Remember that we absolutely humiliated them 38-3 in November? I couldn't see anything like that happening again on the back of their performances against England under Erasmus.

Argentina are typically poor between RWCs and very competitive when the heat comes on in the world cup. Cheika was saying before our tour that Australia had done their rebuilding work in the immediate aftermath of RWC15 and lost a bit of ground then, but that the vast majority of their work is done and they are now focusing on the performances and results, rather than on experimenting with selection and tactics. Interestingly I think the Kiwis are still putting some blocks in place - they're still obviously a superb outfit, but I think they have a few more moving pieces than they had in the build-up to either of the last RWCs.
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Re: IRB World Rankings

Postby Oldschool » November 19th, 2018, 5:34 pm

So at what stage in the 6Ns can we overtake NZ and grab the No. 1 spot.
Unless of course Italy do something ridiculous against NZ 2nds next weekend.
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Re: IRB World Rankings

Postby jimbobjoe » November 19th, 2018, 5:51 pm

Scotland and Wales away in 6N will offer us the biggest chances to earn points provided they stay roughly the same (or better) and we don't lose any games before them (which would probably cause us to lose too many points to challenge NZ). Ideally we beat both of them by >15 points to maximise ranking point earnings.

As it stands Italy away and France at home offer us no ranking points to win and England at home is minimal. A loss to any would see us lose ~2 pts.
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Re: IRB World Rankings

Postby Xanthippe » November 19th, 2018, 7:09 pm

Oldschool wrote:So at what stage in the 6Ns can we overtake NZ and grab the No. 1 spot.
Unless of course Italy do something ridiculous against NZ 2nds next weekend.


We need, at a bare minimum, to beat the USA on Saturday and then win the Grand Slam in order to overtake BNZ.

Other results this weekend could have a big impact on what we need so firstly we need to beat USA and we need England Scotland and Wales to all win too. With all four teams winning this weekend then we'd 'only' have to win the 5 games to take the #1 ranking.

If any of England, Scotland or Wales lose then we need to beat Wales by more than 15 points in the final game (beating England or Scotland by more than 15 wouldn't be enough)

If any two of England, Scotland or Wales lose then we will have to beat Wales AND either England or Scotland by more than 15
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Re: IRB World Rankings

Postby The Doc » November 20th, 2018, 12:26 am

Xanthippe wrote:
Oldschool wrote:So at what stage in the 6Ns can we overtake NZ and grab the No. 1 spot.
Unless of course Italy do something ridiculous against NZ 2nds next weekend.


We need, at a bare minimum, to beat the USA on Saturday and then win the Grand Slam in order to overtake BNZ.

Other results this weekend could have a big impact on what we need so firstly we need to beat USA and we need England Scotland and Wales to all win too. With all four teams winning this weekend then we'd 'only' have to win the 5 games to take the #1 ranking.

If any of England, Scotland or Wales lose then we need to beat Wales by more than 15 points in the final game (beating England or Scotland by more than 15 wouldn't be enough)

If any two of England, Scotland or Wales lose then we will have to beat Wales AND either England or Scotland by more than 15
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Re: IRB World Rankings

Postby Xanthippe » November 20th, 2018, 1:45 am

The Doc wrote:
Xanthippe wrote:
Oldschool wrote:So at what stage in the 6Ns can we overtake NZ and grab the No. 1 spot.
Unless of course Italy do something ridiculous against NZ 2nds next weekend.


We need, at a bare minimum, to beat the USA on Saturday and then win the Grand Slam in order to overtake BNZ.

Other results this weekend could have a big impact on what we need so firstly we need to beat USA and we need England Scotland and Wales to all win too. With all four teams winning this weekend then we'd 'only' have to win the 5 games to take the #1 ranking.

If any of England, Scotland or Wales lose then we need to beat Wales by more than 15 points in the final game (beating England or Scotland by more than 15 wouldn't be enough)

If any two of England, Scotland or Wales lose then we will have to beat Wales AND either England or Scotland by more than 15
How do you do this!!! :-)



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