RWC 2023: Ireland

[Dave Cahill]

Whilst our goose is being basted, it isn't entirely cooked yet. All thats left is stroke politics, and we're really good at that.

[Flash Gordon]

shame there wasnt a category of fans being able to walk around the place safely

we should go again for 2027

Surely walking down the road without being shot is a component of infrastructure? The murder rates at some of the venues is mind blowing. Maybe if we implement a racist selection policy we'll have more success next time.

[LeRouxIsPHat]

The 3 match tour that’s scheduled every 12 years as part of the revisions to the calendar a while back?

The fixtures may have been organised a while ago but that doesn't mean the fixtures don't impact the vote, we could promise to send a full strength squad in exchange for their votes.

[LeRouxIsPHat]

Anyone know what the story with the votes is now? Do we still have some "in the bag" but the undecided ones will go with the recommendation?

Seems like we'll be fighting a losing battle going forward anyway but at least if SA gets it then we can try again soon after.

[Dave Cahill]

The twitter scuttlebutt is that Ireland have done a deal with Argentina over 2027

[enby]

A quick look at the report shows that in 6 of the 8 Irish venues a considerable amount of work has to be done to upgrade spectator facilities and telecommunication/journalist facilities and it specifically states that the fact that these works have to be done is a major risk factor leading to a lower grade for the Irish bid. So they didn't believe that all the GAA grounds/Thomond would be up to speed. They are probably right

[brotheroffrank]

It's like how you feel when you prepared for an exam and the other topics came up on the exam paper....

[nc6000]

A quick look at the report shows that in 6 of the 8 Irish venues a considerable amount of work has to be done to upgrade spectator facilities and telecommunication/journalist facilities and it specifically states that the fact that these works have to be done is a major risk factor leading to a lower grade for the Irish bid. So they didn't believe that all the GAA grounds/Thomond would be up to speed. They are probably right

They also managed to spell it Thomand Park a few times in the report. I'd be very surprised if the voting doesn't go with the recommendation.

[LeRouxIsPHat]

It's like how you feel when you prepared for an exam and the other topics came up on the exam paper....

We might still be able to sleep with the lecturer though.

[Twist]

Just had a quick look at the evaluation report https://www.worldrugby.org/news/291551 and it looks like infrastructure and tournament experience did for us in the end.

The overall rankings also happen to be in the same order as the tournament fees promised by each country.

“Tournament experience” is such a bullsh*t category. It runs directly contrary to their credo about expanding the game to new audiences


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[Twist]

shame there wasnt a category of fans being able to walk around the place safely

we should go again for 2027

160 million buys a lot of bandages


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[neiliog93]

Of the 5 criteria, we're bottom on 4 and in the middle on the remaining criterion. Not too encouraging.

[neill_m]

Given the stadia issue, suspect Ireland's only chance for a future bid is if they team up with the Welsh and the Scots.

[jimbobjoe]

Given the stadia issue, suspect Ireland's only chance for a future bid is if they team up with the Welsh and the Scots.

Ireland's stadia not much different in capacity to those used by New Zealand

[Flash Gordon]

A quick look at the report shows that in 6 of the 8 Irish venues a considerable amount of work has to be done to upgrade spectator facilities and telecommunication/journalist facilities and it specifically states that the fact that these works have to be done is a major risk factor leading to a lower grade for the Irish bid. So they didn't believe that all the GAA grounds/Thomond would be up to speed. They are probably right

The fact that the stadia actually have fans in them should probably count for a something though. South Africa's games against Australia were nowhere near sold out. We all know about our game vs the Southern Kings!!!

Even with this it's hard to understand how they came out ahead of France. France has the added benefit of facilitating movement of fans to to bars and restaurants without being robbed/beaten up/murdered. If we'd lost to France I'd be disappointed but kind of understand it. Losing to South Africa is difficult to accept I have to say!

[neill_m]

Given the stadia issue, suspect Ireland's only chance for a future bid is if they team up with the Welsh and the Scots.

Ireland's stadia not much different in capacity to those used by New Zealand

Capacity was not the issue, it was apparently the work needed to bring most of the bid stadia up to scratch, especially some of the gaa grounds.

[Oldschool]

Simple economics.
The SH needs the RWC, the Lions tours, Summer tours and AIs to survive financially.
The 6Ns is the financial gold mine every year.
The lions and rwc come around every fours.
The other tours keep things ticking over just about.
The NH haven't f^cked around with the fundamental and core attraction of rubgy - its' shear physical, atavistic attraction to the animal instinct in us all.
We learned that lesson from the Romans, creators of the most successful empire in human history to date.

[neill_m]

To be fair South Africa hosted the soccer world cup only 7 years ago, so they have the stadia sitting there ready to. The crime rate in South Africa is the elephant in the room.

[LeRouxIsPHat]

Given the stadia issue, suspect Ireland's only chance for a future bid is if they team up with the Welsh and the Scots.

Ireland's stadia not much different in capacity to those used by New Zealand

Capacity was not the issue, it was apparently the work needed to bring most of the bid stadia up to scratch, especially some of the gaa grounds.

I don't really get that, I'd have thought it was easily fixable. Transport or accommodation would be different because they'd be out of the bid's control to a degree, but surely we can guarantee the upgrades? That's one area I reckon we could work on before the vote. I don't doubt that our goose is cooked, but doing something like that may make people feel better about voting for us for political reasons instead of the actual bid.

[RoboProp]

Surely, NZ won't vote for them at the risk of them all getting the trupenny bits before the final again