NZ vs England
Moderator: moderators
- artaneboy
- Shane Horgan
- Posts: 4202
- Joined: January 25th, 2011, 7:46 pm
- Location: closer than you think...
Re: NZ vs England
England try! F*#king Ashton with a more muted version of his splish- splash. 28 - 27 win to New Zealand. They should have had more- but fair play to England. That inate cockiness of our neighbours won't be too hurt by that 1 point loss. Next week should be fun.
"Oh, I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused!"
- Vamos los azules
- Mullet
- Posts: 1836
- Joined: April 15th, 2009, 11:17 pm
Re: NZ vs England
I was willing to reserve judgement on the Tuilagi on the wing idea until seeing it in action. Not impressed.
9-10-12-13 combination today significantly more wobbly than last week's. In addition to not getting the fuss about Twelvetrees, I really don't get the fuss about Burrell.
9-10-12-13 combination today significantly more wobbly than last week's. In addition to not getting the fuss about Twelvetrees, I really don't get the fuss about Burrell.
"You can’t defend like the boss one week and the cookie man the next".
Re: NZ vs England
Brave effort from England, but didn't take enough of their chances in the first half. When the All Blacks went up the gears, they had no answer to them.
How good is Ben Smith? Doesn't look like much, but a bit like his namesake Conrad, he never seems to make a mistake and always seems to come up with a try.
One thing I noticed was the use of the bench. When the AB's scored their first try, that was the time to start getting the likes of Lawes and Vunipola on but Lancaster diddered and it was another ten minutes before they were on and by then the game was gone. How did Care last until ten minutes before the end too? It was probably the injury but he was very poor.
How good is Ben Smith? Doesn't look like much, but a bit like his namesake Conrad, he never seems to make a mistake and always seems to come up with a try.
One thing I noticed was the use of the bench. When the AB's scored their first try, that was the time to start getting the likes of Lawes and Vunipola on but Lancaster diddered and it was another ten minutes before they were on and by then the game was gone. How did Care last until ten minutes before the end too? It was probably the injury but he was very poor.
- simonokeeffe
- Jamie Heaslip
- Posts: 16777
- Joined: July 21st, 2011, 3:04 am
- Location: Dublin
- Contact:
Re: NZ vs England
You could see Ashton nearly go for big dive oblivious it was a still only a consolation
Yarde on the wing was anonymous in defence, at least someone like Wade would have tried to tackle. Ashton should be recalled, think I just threw up in my mouth a little
Yarde on the wing was anonymous in defence, at least someone like Wade would have tried to tackle. Ashton should be recalled, think I just threw up in my mouth a little
Retired from babbling. Can be found on twittter @okeeffesimon
- Vamos los azules
- Mullet
- Posts: 1836
- Joined: April 15th, 2009, 11:17 pm
Re: NZ vs England
I think it is muscle memory at this stage. He's no longer physically capable of putting the ball down any other way.simonokeeffe wrote:You could see Ashton nearly go for big dive oblivious it was a still only a consolation
"You can’t defend like the boss one week and the cookie man the next".
- LeRouxIsPHat
- Jamie Heaslip
- Posts: 15008
- Joined: January 22nd, 2009, 7:49 pm
Re: NZ vs England
Bit of a common theme for Lancaster to mess up substitutions. Remember the game against France a few months ago?Donny B. wrote:Brave effort from England, but didn't take enough of their chances in the first half. When the All Blacks went up the gears, they had no answer to them.
How good is Ben Smith? Doesn't look like much, but a bit like his namesake Conrad, he never seems to make a mistake and always seems to come up with a try.
One thing I noticed was the use of the bench. When the AB's scored their first try, that was the time to start getting the likes of Lawes and Vunipola on but Lancaster diddered and it was another ten minutes before they were on and by then the game was gone. How did Care last until ten minutes before the end too? It was probably the injury but he was very poor.
- LeRouxIsPHat
- Jamie Heaslip
- Posts: 15008
- Joined: January 22nd, 2009, 7:49 pm
Re: NZ vs England
I think Burrell is brilliant but he was poor today alright. Well he made a good start but like most of the England team he was just blown away as it went on. No excuse for the really poor effort at tackling Nonu for his try though, although he wasn't the only one.Vamos los azules wrote:I was willing to reserve judgement on the Tuilagi on the wing idea until seeing it in action. Not impressed.
9-10-12-13 combination today significantly more wobbly than last week's. In addition to not getting the fuss about Twelvetrees, I really don't get the fuss about Burrell.
Tuilagi was fairly anonymous for the most part. I had a feeling that he would concentrate so much on not being out of position that he'd go missing in attack and think that's what happened. Suspect he'd be good on the left wing against lesser opposition but the way he was used today was a waste. Surprised Ben Smith managed to stop him as he went for the line but credit to him for that tackle and then his workrate to get over the ball afterwards, great stuff.
Would you not feel like decking Ashton if he was on your team and you saw him swan dive like that in a game you knew you were about to lose?
- Vamos los azules
- Mullet
- Posts: 1836
- Joined: April 15th, 2009, 11:17 pm
Re: NZ vs England
I don't know about that but I reckon if I was Owen Farrell or Charlie Hodgson I would have expressed my opinion about how prioritising the dive was landing me with harder kicks because it would seriously annoy me if my kicking stats were being affected by it.LeRouxIsPHat wrote: Would you not feel like decking Ashton if he was on your team and you saw him swan dive like that in a game you knew you were about to lose?
"You can’t defend like the boss one week and the cookie man the next".
- Lamb of BOD
- Enlightened
- Posts: 809
- Joined: June 27th, 2012, 3:46 pm
- Location: Caught Somewhere In Time
Re: NZ vs England
http://www.epl424.org/index.php?p=1_37_SS1
or also
http://cricfree.eu/sky-sports-1-live-stream-uk.php
All Blacks vs All Whites 3rd test kicking off now.
or also
http://cricfree.eu/sky-sports-1-live-stream-uk.php
All Blacks vs All Whites 3rd test kicking off now.
Show Spoiler:
Show Spoiler:
- ichabodscrane
- Graduate
- Posts: 615
- Joined: February 1st, 2011, 12:56 am
NZ vs England
Poor England are absolutely capitulating . They're being cut open in midfield and the All Blacks and Savea are having a field day out wide. Angry Mike is having a horrid opening 15mins and Billy V is being found out up against King Kieran
- Lamb of BOD
- Enlightened
- Posts: 809
- Joined: June 27th, 2012, 3:46 pm
- Location: Caught Somewhere In Time
Re: NZ vs England
But for that forward pass it could have been a lot worse for England. NZ look like scoring every time they get the ball out the backs
- Lamb of BOD
- Enlightened
- Posts: 809
- Joined: June 27th, 2012, 3:46 pm
- Location: Caught Somewhere In Time
Re: NZ vs England
Vunipola has 10 mins now to observe Kieran from a distance and try to figure him outichabodscrane wrote: Billy V is being found out up against King Kieran
- ichabodscrane
- Graduate
- Posts: 615
- Joined: February 1st, 2011, 12:56 am
Re: NZ vs England
Freddie Burns looks like he's about to pull a Charlie's Angels pose prior to kicking. It's the weirdest mannerism I've seen by a fly half.
- ichabodscrane
- Graduate
- Posts: 615
- Joined: February 1st, 2011, 12:56 am
NZ vs England
I think that's too much for the normal human no 8 brain to comprehendLamb of BOD wrote:Vunipola has 10 mins now to observe Kieran from a distance and try to figure him outichabodscrane wrote: Billy V is being found out up against King Kieran
- ichabodscrane
- Graduate
- Posts: 615
- Joined: February 1st, 2011, 12:56 am
Re: NZ vs England
I think I have another rugby crush, it started with Campese at Landsdowne Road in 91, followed by my first venture into Southern Hemisphere rugby and watching the majestic Fourie DuPreez, then there was the alien rugby by Bod and now Read
Re: NZ vs England
If it's weirder than Owen Farrell's then it's proper weirdichabodscrane wrote:Freddie Burns looks like he's about to pull a Charlie's Angels pose prior to kicking. It's the weirdest mannerism I've seen by a fly half.
Re: NZ vs England
This has the feel of Ireland's third test last season and we remember how that turned out!
- Lamb of BOD
- Enlightened
- Posts: 809
- Joined: June 27th, 2012, 3:46 pm
- Location: Caught Somewhere In Time
Re: NZ vs England
Thus far, NZ have been able to stop England's rolling mall - even when it was 8 v 8. With that 'weapon' nullified, it's very difficult to see how England can get back into the game. Burns' aimless kicking isn't helping much either. On the other side of the ball, the AB's new number 13 looks excellent and Savea should have a(nother) hat-trick before too long
- ichabodscrane
- Graduate
- Posts: 615
- Joined: February 1st, 2011, 12:56 am
NZ vs England
Yeah tbh Donny I was worrying about playing England in the 6nations and I probably still am but not as much after this test opening. You know it's gonna be a bad day for England when Tom Wood drops ball and Mike Brown is limited to seeking contact. Eastmond was a strange selection but it will stand him in good stead in the future. England's defensive line is very fragile , their one up tackling is dreadful and Vunipola is being thrown around like a bar of shop in the prison showers.Donny B. wrote:This has the feel of Ireland's third test last season and we remember how that turned out!
Last edited by ichabodscrane on June 21st, 2014, 9:15 am, edited 1 time in total.
- Lamb of BOD
- Enlightened
- Posts: 809
- Joined: June 27th, 2012, 3:46 pm
- Location: Caught Somewhere In Time
Re: NZ vs England
I don't think NZ are doing anything we can't do (to England). They're just attacking with pace and changing angles a fraction in the centres. Savea has two by holding his width, Smith has two by folloing the play and taking off-loads.