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paddyor wrote:
Tonic Wine wrote: We will know after the first scrum on our put in if he is up to it.I hope he is or it will be a long year
Or there'll be a free kick for an early drive or a penalty for collapsing or some other skull duggery. Probably best to wait about 50 mins to make a call doesn't sound as definitive though!
Let's be honest Paddy, if Marty Moore doesn't drive his way through the LH and Hooker so he can stick the loaf on Parisse, he's not going to get much in the way of support form Tonic Whine.
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Donny B. wrote:
jezzer wrote:This thread should be wiped and everyone start over.
Agree.
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RoboProp wrote:Luke Fitz 3 HEC medals, 3 league medals. 1 Amlin. 1RBS 6 nations medal.
Keet Earls 2 League medals. 1HEC

The stats dont lie. Lukey may not dot down as much but he sure knows how to be part of a winning team. Something that Can't pass Keet could do with a refresher on. Team sport after all :wink:
I think you will find Earls does not have a HEC medal. Well he apparently has but he managed it without playing a single minute in the tournament...Riddle me that?
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Willing to put my hand up and admit that I was wrong....... The stats do lie - Wayne Smith

Media analysts love to roll out the stats. They point to the number of missed tackles by one team or the percentage of territory of the other, but the surface numbers are utterly meaningless. They tell coaches next to nothing about the game. The stats are often numerical fiction.

The tackle area is a good example of why stats do lie, of why they are completely misleading without the detail. Commentators look at the ratio of missed tackles. But one player can make 100% of his tackles in a match and it tells you nothing about their effectiveness. Every tackle could have been a passive tackle, made behind the gain line, allowing the opposition to win quick ball without committing numbers. Another player may make only eight out of ten of his tackles, but the eight he made are dominant tackles. He made his tackles past the gain line, put the runner on his back, shut down the offload, forced the opposition to send in three or four players to clean out. And maybe two of those tackles created turnover ball off which his team scored. And maybe the two that he missed were desperate scrambling efforts. Yet the second player is ranked behind the first player on the media stat sheet. You might as well throw the paper in the bin. It would do less harm there.

At the Chiefs we rate each tackle according to its effectiveness. We collate an average score per tackle made in a game. There is a graph on my wall of the tackle scores made throughout the season. It gives the players a greater understanding of the causal effect of what they are doing. We have a benchmark tackle score that we always try to get above. If we do, we win. If we don’t, we lose. This chart seldom lies.

Here is a good example of why stats don’t always tell the truth. In the Super 15 semi-final against the Crusaders, Kieran Read was marauding towards our line when Asaeli Tikoirotuma flicked his ankle. It didn’t stop Read. It made him stumble though. It went down on the sheet as a missed tackle. But that contact slowed Read down enough for the cover to get there and somehow hold the ball up over the line. Tikoirotuma’s ‘missed tackle’ probably saved the game, possibly the Championship and the season.

The Stormers are said to have a great defence because they do not concede many tries. If you are studying them though, you need to look beyond just their defensive system to find the reasons why. Ironically, it’s the Stormers’ attack that creates their defensive stinginess. The Stormers are a side that doesn’t chance its arm. They only occasionally offload and don’t always run from turnovers. They do not concede many tries because they run a tight defensive screen and are very effective tacklers. However, they also seldom give the ball away in the tackle. You don’t often get a chance to score against them through spilled ball or lost possession in tackle contests. Given that half the tries in the game come from that sort of ball, therein lies an answer to why the Stormers concede so few touchdowns.

In contrast the Chiefs are the biggest offloaders in Super 15 rugby. We are bound to turn over ball from time to time in dangerous positions. But we are prepared to risk conceding tries in order to score them. Journalists said that Man United had the worst defensive record of the top four last season and this would come back to haunt them this year. United concede goals because they take risks in search of goals.So, sometimes, tries scored or goals conceded are not accurate indicators of defensive ability. Rather, they might just measure a team’s optimism, attacking mindset and attitude to taking risks.

Don’t believe the raw stats. They are a bunch of bare-faced liars
Ruddock's tackle stats consistently too low for me to be taken seriously as a Six Nations blindside..... Ruddock's defensive stats don't stack up. - All Blacks Nil, Jan 15th, 2014
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I hear there is a rebel thread !!?
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Fred Funk wrote:I hear there is a rebel thread !!?
Rebel threads a liar!
Ruddock's tackle stats consistently too low for me to be taken seriously as a Six Nations blindside..... Ruddock's defensive stats don't stack up. - All Blacks Nil, Jan 15th, 2014
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The word seems to be that Keatley and Ross will start, SOB into the BR with Jamie out.
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Gerry Thornley saying on Off The Ball he thought Keatley was going to get the nod.
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Kearney
Bowe
Payne
Henshaw
Zebo
Keatley
Murray

McGrath
Best
Ross
Toner
O'Connell
POM
SOB
Murphy

S Cronin
J Cronin
Moore
Henderson
O'Donnell
Reddan
Madigan
Fitz/Earls
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The Ireland coaching staff has named the team that will line out in its opening fixture of the 2015 RBS 6 Nations Championship.TweetPaul O'Connell will captain the side on his 97th cap for his country and is partnered in the second row by Devin Toner. The front-row is made up of Jack McGrath, Rory Best and Mike Ross.

The back-row consists of Peter O'Mahony, Sean O'Brien and Jordi Murphy at number 8.

Conor Murray and Ian Keatley will form the halfback partnership while Robbie Henshaw will line out at inside-centre alongside Jared Payne who will fill the No.13 jersey.

The back three sees Rob Kearney flanked by Tommy Bowe and Simon Zebo.

Among the replacements are Sean Cronin, James Cronin, Martin Moore, Iain Henderson, Tommy O'Donnell, Isaac Boss, Ian Madigan and Felix Jones.

Ireland's opening fixture against Italy will kick-off in Rome at the Stadio Olimpico at 15:30 (14:30 Irish Time).

IRELAND team to play Italy - Saturday 7th February, 2015

15. Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster)
14. Tommy Bowe (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
13. Jared Payne (Ulster)
12. Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Connacht)
11. Simon Zebo (Cork Con/Munster)
10. Ian Keatley (Young Munster/Munster)
9. Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster)

1. Jack McGrath (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
2. Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster)
3. Mike Ross (Clontarf/Leinster)
4. Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster)
5. Paul O'Connell (Young Munster/Munster) Captain
6. Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster)
7. Sean O'Brien (UCD/Leinster)
8. Jordi Murphy (Lansdowne/Leinster)

Replacements
16. Sean Cronin (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
17. James Cronin (Dolphin/Munster)
18. Martin Moore (Lansdowne/Leinster)
19. Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster)
20. Tommy O'Donnell (UL Bohemians/Munster)
21. Isaac Boss (Terenure/Leinster)
22. Ian Madigan (Blackrock/Leinster)
23. Felix Jones (Shannon/Munster)
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