Next England Coach & Captain

[Vamos los azules]

Looks like Eddie Jones is taking over and Robshaw will lose the captaincy. Express seem to think Farrell might stay on but nobody else will. They think Borthwick might replace Rowntree. I know contracts might be an issue but if they're buying Jones out then you'd imagine they'll get him who he wants.

Not sure if Jones planned to coach Japan again for the next World Cup but it's a pity he won't be doing so. Thought he was much older than 55.

Jones and Farrell nearly coached together a few years ago I believe, so it's quite likely he'd keep Farrell on if he does get the job. Throw Borthwick into the mix as well and we'll be getting out the popcorn watching the reaction from fans - such a Saracens heavy coaching team and Farrell staying would go down like the proverbial lead balloon.

[Ruckedtobits]

Jones will get the job and clean the decks, but bring Borthwich with him.

Europe beware. RFU have just acquired their best National Coach ever - miles ahead of 'Cur Clivvvve' - and we could be looking at their tail-coats, if he survives the London media.

Eddie J is a straight talker and usually very loyal. He had a heart problem about a year ago. He was rumoured to be shortlisted for job Nucifora fIlled in IRFU. He got a gamy Oz team to No 2 ranking in the world and a World Cup Final. He doesn't like or tolerate criticism well and he will have become even much accustomed to player discipline during his Japanese sojourn where I'm told he had no problem getting his players to do 3 sessions a day in lead up to RWC.

Eddie J reflects his heritage and his historic belief that players should be very happy to get paid for doing something they love. If they aren't, he'll find somebody else. So, being selected by Eddie J means parking your ego at home and putting your head down and working. English media will hate him but players may well be fascinated enough with his ideas to buy in to his vision, which will not include the Armitages, unless they have learned humility.

Above all, he produced the most innovative coaching in RWC2015. He also produced the most innovative response to the ELV's (remember them!).

Joe Schmidt and other national coaches around the world are going to be a little bit more concerned at the prospect of EJ in charge of a desperate England, than they would be at any English native taking over. Let the games begin.

Personally, I'm off to have a pony on Engerland for the 6 Nations 2016!

[jimbobjoe]

Personally, I'm off to have a pony on Engerland for the 6 Nations 2016!

They're favourites already on Skybet at 2/1!!

[simonokeeffe]

Rowantree is the forwards coach in general, not just the scrum coach so he has to cop flak for no 7 and a few other things

Keeping Farrell, or any of them, would be mental but tis too much of a stick to beat them with and new coach should have clean slate

Here's a giant spanner for proceedings (from the rugby blog)

"Jones himself gave an illuminating interview to ESPN last Thursday about how he thought England needed to change in order to be successful in future. In short, he advocated the central contracting of players. Without them, he argued, England do not have enough control over their players.

“How can you manage your players when they are controlled by other organisations?” Jones asked. “In my opinion, that is the single greatest task ahead of whoever is going to be appointed as the next England coach.”"

[Logorrhea]

“In my opinion, that is the single greatest task ahead of whoever is going to be appointed as the next England coach.”"

Betcha the fact that they will probably quadruple his salary will adjust his willingness to accept that risk.

[simonokeeffe]

“In my opinion, that is the single greatest task ahead of whoever is going to be appointed as the next England coach.”"

Betcha the fact that they will probably quadruple his salary will adjust his willingness to accept that risk.

maybe its a red herring so he can get the other things he wants

PRL would never go for dual contracts or central deals, England would be some force if they had them though

[Ruckedtobits]

“In my opinion, that is the single greatest task ahead of whoever is going to be appointed as the next England coach.”"

Betcha the fact that they will probably quadruple his salary will adjust his willingness to accept that risk.

Don't think that that will be his price. Much more likely that he is saying to the RFU,

"I'll take the job, if you organise the recruitment of 25 players of my choice to central contracts by May 2016"

The first guy to suggest that publically for English Rugby was the former English Cricket Coach, Zimbabwean Duncan Fletcher, who is a serious rugby head. He was slaughtered by English Rugby media who are slaves to the 'Free Market ownership' of rugby clubs, despite what it has done to their national team.

[simonokeeffe]

England's approach to the Jones negotiations seems to be thus



Stormers are saying the RFU will have to buy out his deal but thats 250k sterling x 3 years which is peanuts to RFU

[ribs]

Interesting that we've finally got to the point where it is accepted that paying for a top coach is more important than a top player. Other sports should expect that soon too

[nc6000]

Just been watching Sky Sports News where they went through Eddie Jones' record as a coach. Some good highs in there like winning the Super 12, Tri-Nations and 2007 RWC as "Technical Director" for SA but there are also a few bad looking lows like being sacked by Australia after 8 defeats in 9 games and then sacked by the Reds after a 92-3 defeat to The Bulls as they finished the season bottom of the table. He also didn't last very long in Saracens.

Not exactly a stellar record but there's not much of a field to pick from.

I suppose worse case for him he will probably earn a couple of million even if he ends up getting sacked.

[simonokeeffe]

Just been watching Sky Sports News where they went through Eddie Jones' record as a coach. Some good highs in there like winning the Super 12, Tri-Nations and 2007 RWC as "Technical Director" for SA but there are also a few bad looking lows like being sacked by Australia after 8 defeats in 9 games and then sacked by the Reds after a 92-3 defeat to The Bulls as they finished the season bottom of the table. He also didn't last very long in Saracens.

Not exactly a stellar record but there's not much of a field to pick from.

I suppose worse case for him he will probably earn a couple of million even if he ends up getting sacked.

they seem to be rushing into this too

[neiliog93]

Let's hope they get the Reds/Saracens Eddie rather than Japan/Oz Eddie. Seriously good coach - he's pretty old and frail though. That could count against them (not wishing ill health on anyone!).

I'd imagine he'll start by jettisoning Robshaw from the squad. Hopefully the union insist on maintaining their foreign-based players selection policy, I'd hate them to have the last two ERC players of the year available. Armitage and Abendanon would transform that team. Toby Flood would offer depth. He'll probably recall Hartley (quality player whatever you say) and Tuilagi.

England worst-case scenario, Jones is at his best as coach, Rowntree provides some continuity and Borthwick does well with the pack as he did with Japan. And they change their foreign-based players policy.

1.Corbisiero 2.Hartley 3.Cole

4.Launchbury 5.Lawes

6.Haskell 7.Armitage 8.Vunipola

9.Youngs 10.Ford 12.Burrell 13.Joseph 14.Watson

11.May 15.Abendanon

16.Youngs 17.Vunipola 18.Wilson 19.Attwood 20.Morgan 21.Care 22.Farrell 23.Tuilagi

And the likes of Marler, Croft, Itoje, on-form Cipriani, Wade, Brown, Nowell and Goode to call on in reserve. They could be seriously good.

[johng]

55 is old and frail these days? Sheesh.
I know he had a few heart issues but guys coach into their 70s now.

[simonokeeffe]

England have really good depth/talent everywhere except tighthead prop and openside flanker, then less specific ones: 2nd distributor in backline and captain

Captaincy options

Hartley
Robshaw (6)

or Will Carling it and give it to someone like Itoje

[simonokeeffe]

was watching premiership highlights at the weekend, and Ian Ritchie (RFU chairman) was attending matches with Eddie Jones so looks like England mightnt necessarily be untangling their mess all that much, this Ritchie guy is starting to make John Delaney look low key

[Vamos los azules]

Shaun Edwards confirmed as staying with Wales:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/35060631

Wonder whether Eddie Jones spoke to him about a role with England or not.

[simonokeeffe]

Shaun Edwards confirmed as staying with Wales:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/35060631

Wonder whether Eddie Jones spoke to him about a role with England or not.

Gustard looks to be taking defence, no word on attack/backs or scrum

but

RFU have announced Borthwick as forwards coach which was followed by Bristol saying they havent agreed to release him yet so could be a row brewing there

[Peg Leg]

Shaun Edwards confirmed as staying with Wales:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/35060631

Wonder whether Eddie Jones spoke to him about a role with England or not.

Gustard looks to be taking defence, no word on attack/backs or scrum

but

RFU have announced Borthwick as forwards coach which was followed by Bristol saying they havent agreed to release him yet so could be a row brewing there

That'd be the trapdoor key their holding out for.

[simonokeeffe]

Shaun Edwards confirmed as staying with Wales:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/35060631

Wonder whether Eddie Jones spoke to him about a role with England or not.

Gustard looks to be taking defence, no word on attack/backs or scrum

but

RFU have announced Borthwick as forwards coach which was followed by Bristol saying they havent agreed to release him yet so could be a row brewing there

That'd be the trapdoor key their holding out for.

do you mean a large amount of money?

cost over a million to sack all the England coaches apparently

[Morf]

At least Lancaster has the u11s to go back to.

Less of a fall from grace than EOS . . . assuredly.