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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby LENSTA » April 21st, 2017, 11:02 am

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LENSTA wrote:11 Irish for the NZ suicide tour. How many won't return or will come back never to be the same again? Best case scenario we only lose two. Worst case we lose five.

The whole thing is a huge non contest. Already know it will be 3 zip. If this one is as big a disaster as the last trip to NZ, it might actually bring an end to the whole jaded pompous gravy train.

Nobody would be more disappointed than NZ/SA/Aus. The Lions is just a surreptitious mechanism to finance our own subjugation.


Potentially a reason why NZ might conceivably lose a test this summer deliberately. If the result is in the balance going into the final test then the Lions will survive and bring lucre to the SH teams for at least the next 12 years.


I can see NZ whipping the Lions in the first two tests and then putting out a youthful experimental side in the third test, in the hope that the Lions will be more competitive. This would lessen questions about the rationale of the whole exercise.
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby Dave Cahill » April 21st, 2017, 11:24 am

Those questions are irrelevant anyway. This is the last tour under the current participation agreement, and the next contract will be massively in the favour of the Four Nations. The last agreement was signed when the game was massively in flux, when no one even knew if International rugby would exist in the near future, never mind touring teams so the agreement favoured the hosts as they were taking the risks. Now that we know that the Lions are the biggest event in Rugby and there are no risks.
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby neiliog93 » April 21st, 2017, 1:59 pm

I assume then that future tours would have fewer games? The problem with that is that it means less dosh. On the other hand, if you change it to the same number of games but with longer rest periods in between them, then the tour (which is already too long) gets even worse in that regard. How then do they amend future tours to make them more Lions-friendly?
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby Oldschool » April 21st, 2017, 3:07 pm

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Lar wrote:
LENSTA wrote:11 Irish for the NZ suicide tour. How many won't return or will come back never to be the same again? Best case scenario we only lose two. Worst case we lose five.

The whole thing is a huge non contest. Already know it will be 3 zip. If this one is as big a disaster as the last trip to NZ, it might actually bring an end to the whole jaded pompous gravy train.

Nobody would be more disappointed than NZ/SA/Aus. The Lions is just a surreptitious mechanism to finance our own subjugation.


Potentially a reason why NZ might conceivably lose a test this summer deliberately. If the result is in the balance going into the final test then the Lions will survive and bring lucre to the SH teams for at least the next 12 years.



I can imagine someone asking the NZ players or coaches to take it easy on the Lions. They'll go all out to annihilate the Lions by as much as they can.

Its a good money making excercise for the broadcasters and the SH big 3. The home nations get a tired and injured squad the next season and an extended season to look forward to soon because super rugby had to take A break because of an international window. :lol:

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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby Dave Cahill » April 21st, 2017, 4:10 pm

neiliog93 wrote:I assume then that future tours would have fewer games? The problem with that is that it means less dosh. On the other hand, if you change it to the same number of games but with longer rest periods in between them, then the tour (which is already too long) gets even worse in that regard. How then do they amend future tours to make them more Lions-friendly?


I think that the assumption that the 4 nations have a problem with the length of the tour is a big one to make without a lot of evidence behind it. The English clubs mightn't be overly fond, but thats about it.
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby simonokeeffe » April 21st, 2017, 6:56 pm

RFU calling for next/future tours to be 8 games not 10, beeb article saying global calender will force shorter tours
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby Dave Cahill » April 21st, 2017, 7:01 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:RFU calling for next/future tours to be 8 games not 10, beeb article saying global calender will force shorter tours



Thats the RFU who are calling for a 5 year qualification period the week before picking Denny Solamona, yeah?

They call for lots of things in public.
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby Peg Leg » April 21st, 2017, 10:36 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:RFU calling for next/future tours to be 8 games not 10, beeb article saying global calender will force shorter tours



Thats the RFU who are calling for a 5 year qualification period the week before picking Denny Solamona, yeah?

They call for lots of things in public.

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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby hugonaut » April 22nd, 2017, 2:52 am

Dave Cahill wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:RFU calling for next/future tours to be 8 games not 10, beeb article saying global calender will force shorter tours



Thats the RFU who are calling for a 5 year qualification period the week before picking Denny Solamona, yeah?

They call for lots of things in public.


Ian Ritchie, as anybody with a grasp of English authority would expect, is a complete and utter hypocrite. His behaviour could be shown as an exemplar of the trait, viz. "behaving in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case."

"Our view will be, and this is subject to further discussion but it's coming up soon, that a five-year qualification is the optimum position to be in. There are other countries who will take a different view, I think, and that's up to them."

source: http://www.newstalk.com/English-RFU-pus ... dency-rule

In this instance, championing and campaigning for the change of a law they 'disagree' with, then proceeding to exploit said law. I don't give a sh*t if they cap DS ... but climb down off your moral Shetland pony, you smug c*nt.
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby Oldschool » April 22nd, 2017, 8:40 am

On the issue of contract renewal, Ireland's negotiators need to be very clear that they own 25% of the franchise and accordingly they want 25% of the action.
Any attempt by PRL to muscle in should be shown the door.
The PRL and the RFU can come to their own arrangement which should be paid out of the RFU's 25%.
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby simonokeeffe » April 22nd, 2017, 11:32 am

Dave Cahill wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:RFU calling for next/future tours to be 8 games not 10, beeb article saying global calender will force shorter tours



Thats the RFU who are calling for a 5 year qualification period the week before picking Denny Solamona, yeah?

They call for lots of things in public.


Thought Eddie Jones picked the team
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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