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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby simonokeeffe » September 8th, 2016, 11:29 am

Who would you pick as Scotlands hookers?

also Ive just noticed that Wales won the last championship in a Lions year
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby kermischocolate » September 8th, 2016, 9:06 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:Who would you pick as Scotlands hookers?

also Ive just noticed that Wales won the last championship in a Lions year



Me? Any of Fraser Brown, James Malcolm, Pat MacArthur, or Stuart McInally. Not fussy really.
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby simonokeeffe » September 9th, 2016, 10:03 am

kermischocolate wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:Who would you pick as Scotlands hookers?

also Ive just noticed that Wales won the last championship in a Lions year



Me? Any of Fraser Brown, James Malcolm, Pat MacArthur, or Stuart McInally. Not fussy really.


Ah its personal, now I get ya :D
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby kermischocolate » September 9th, 2016, 5:13 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:
kermischocolate wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:Who would you pick as Scotlands hookers?

also Ive just noticed that Wales won the last championship in a Lions year



Me? Any of Fraser Brown, James Malcolm, Pat MacArthur, or Stuart McInally. Not fussy really.


Ah its personal, now I get ya :D


Not really. I'd happily have McInally for example. Just don't rate Ford. Or Laidlaw.
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby simonokeeffe » September 9th, 2016, 6:07 pm

Nobody rates Laidlaw, except Cotter

Hidalgo Clyne seems to have fallen off a cliff form wise too
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby kermischocolate » September 9th, 2016, 7:27 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:Nobody rates Laidlaw, except Cotter

Hidalgo Clyne seems to have fallen off a cliff form wise too


Yes. Which is sad to see. But then, in fairness, he's not got much outside him to help. I thought Wee Duncy was finding some good form last season- hope that continues now he's moved to The Dark Side.
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby LENSTA » January 7th, 2017, 2:26 pm

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/international-rugby/clive-woodward-gives-his-sole-reason-for-ireland-wales-and-scotlands-poor-record-vs-southern-hemisphere-teams-35347499.html

Have to agree with Clive, I am a bit embarrassed to say. Listening to some Irish players speaking of the Lions is as cringey as suffering through an x-factor contestant sob/back-story. Sadly my girlfriend still watches the occasional x-factor show. :cry:


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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby brenno » January 7th, 2017, 8:51 pm

LENSTA wrote:http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/international-rugby/clive-woodward-gives-his-sole-reason-for-ireland-wales-and-scotlands-poor-record-vs-southern-hemisphere-teams-35347499.html

Have to agree with Clive, I am a bit embarrassed to say. Listening to some Irish players speaking of the Lions is as cringey as suffering through an x-factor contestant sob/back-story. Sadly my girlfriend still watches the occasional x-factor show. :cry:


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When I hear irish players drone on how the Lions is the ultimate accolade it makes my favking blood boil - if the ultimate accolade for an Irish player is not pulling on the green jersey then I give up. The Lions is a four yearly side show which results in defeat and loads of injuries as NZ/SA/oz try and put manners on the NH. And this time around with that pr1ck Gatland in charge once again...
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby hugonaut » January 7th, 2017, 10:15 pm

brenno wrote:
When I hear irish players drone on how the Lions is the ultimate accolade it makes my favking blood boil - if the ultimate accolade for an Irish player is not pulling on the green jersey then I give up. The Lions is a four yearly side show which results in defeat and loads of injuries as NZ/SA/oz try and put manners on the NH. And this time around with that pr1ck Gatland in charge once again...


They're professional rugby players. I'd imagine that for a lot of them, their value system since they have been about 14 years old has been getting picked for the next team up ... it's hard to change that mindset. It's not just ambition, but maybe tied in with self-worth.

If they make Leinster Schools they want to make Irish Schools/ Irish Clubs; when they make Irish Schools, they want to make Irish 20s; when they make Irish 20s, they want to get an Academy spot; when they have an Academy spot they want to get a senior provincial contract; when they get that contract and start playing in the Pro12, they want to start in European games; when they're starting in European games, they want to get an international cap, maybe on a summer tour in November; then they want a Six Nations cap; then they want to go to the World Cup; then they want to play for the Lions.

The Lions is seen as a higher standard/more elite than regular international rugby because a] it only happens once every four years and b] you're trying to fit four squads worth of international players into one international squad. I think players see it as a massive honour, but I don't necessarily think that playing for the Lions means more to Irish players than playing for their country. They might see it as a higher professional achievement, because it's a tougher team [in general] to get picked for.

Also, loads of free gear.
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby Peg Leg » January 8th, 2017, 10:15 am

All about the swag
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby tate » January 8th, 2017, 11:13 am

Peg Leg wrote:All about the swag


and the after dinner speaking gigs
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby ronk » January 8th, 2017, 4:04 pm

It's their chance to compare themselves when playing on the same team as their home nation rivals. It's a stat that's thrown out a lot in summarising careers. Did they get many international caps, did they go on many tours, did they play in the tests?

It doesn't matter as much with player movement, but that makes it more important (relatively) in Ireland where we have less of it.

In assessing the impact of players like Sexton, O'Gara, Heaslip and Stringer; those few caps have an outsized role.

There's a bubble around players who did well for Ireland like Stringer that was popped by them not being good enough for the Lions.
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby suisse » January 9th, 2017, 11:09 pm

After a good few beers at the weekend and no motivation to spend an hour flicking through SKY looking for something good to watch, I noticed "Rugby's Funniest Moments" was showing. Undoubtedly this was originally made for DVD release before ending up on TV. I really feel sorry for anyone who found this in their Christmas stocking. Who knew that Alex Payne f%~king up his intro to a game involving Wasps is one of the funniest things to ever happen in rugby?

Well, among-st those interviewed was Jamie Roberts, who, in some hilarious Lions based story which I've completely forgotten about, talked about the British Lions meeting the UK Prime Minister David Cameron. It got me wondering; do the Lions ever met the Irish President or PM upon returning from tour?

WalesOnline wrote about the meeting at 10 Downing Street under this headline:

British Lions tour win inspired my son to play rugby, says David Cameron
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby Laighin Break » January 10th, 2017, 10:01 am

Did it not get you wondering why he calls it the British Lions?

Can we rename it the Celtic and English Lions? And then drop the English part when we feel like it.
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby Ultra Vires » January 29th, 2017, 8:45 pm

Make it the European Lions or the Six Nations Lions or scrap it. Otherwise it's just an English imperial jolly.
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby olaf the fat » January 30th, 2017, 10:27 am

Champions Cup style

Sky Sports Lions this year / BT Sport Lions in 2019.....
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby Laighin Break » January 30th, 2017, 11:20 am

The Standard Life Investments Sky Sports Lions.
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby LENSTA » April 20th, 2017, 2:11 am

11 Irish for the NZ suicide tour. How many won't return or will come back never to be the same again? Best case scenario we only lose two. Worst case we lose five.

The whole thing is a huge non contest. Already know it will be 3 zip. If this one is as big a disaster as the last trip to NZ, it might actually bring an end to the whole jaded pompous gravy train.

Nobody would be more disappointed than NZ/SA/Aus. The Lions is just a surreptitious mechanism to finance our own subjugation.
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby Lar » April 20th, 2017, 6:11 pm

LENSTA wrote:11 Irish for the NZ suicide tour. How many won't return or will come back never to be the same again? Best case scenario we only lose two. Worst case we lose five.

The whole thing is a huge non contest. Already know it will be 3 zip. If this one is as big a disaster as the last trip to NZ, it might actually bring an end to the whole jaded pompous gravy train.

Nobody would be more disappointed than NZ/SA/Aus. The Lions is just a surreptitious mechanism to finance our own subjugation.


Potentially a reason why NZ might conceivably lose a test this summer deliberately. If the result is in the balance going into the final test then the Lions will survive and bring lucre to the SH teams for at least the next 12 years.
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Re: Scrap the Lions?

Postby dropkick » April 20th, 2017, 8:27 pm

Lar wrote:
LENSTA wrote:11 Irish for the NZ suicide tour. How many won't return or will come back never to be the same again? Best case scenario we only lose two. Worst case we lose five.

The whole thing is a huge non contest. Already know it will be 3 zip. If this one is as big a disaster as the last trip to NZ, it might actually bring an end to the whole jaded pompous gravy train.

Nobody would be more disappointed than NZ/SA/Aus. The Lions is just a surreptitious mechanism to finance our own subjugation.


Potentially a reason why NZ might conceivably lose a test this summer deliberately. If the result is in the balance going into the final test then the Lions will survive and bring lucre to the SH teams for at least the next 12 years.



I can imagine someone asking the NZ players or coaches to take it easy on the Lions. They'll go all out to annihilate the Lions by as much as they can.

Its a good money making excercise for the broadcasters and the SH big 3. The home nations get a tired and injured squad the next season and an extended season to look forward to soon because super rugby had to take A break because of an international window. :lol:
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