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hugonaut wrote:
CiaranIrl wrote:A quick comment on McFadden: I felt that the way the game panned out really justified his selection. Not only did he play pretty well with a smart try scoring pass and an important, smashing tackle, but the versatility argument was backed by the need for blood substitutions. It would have really hurt our momentum if we had to reshuffle the entire backline just to deal with blood injuries. Having someone on the bench that can slot in anywhere is fantastic from a continuity perspective.
Very well said. I agree with you 100% and was going to mention just the same thing in my latest paean to A Ferg Supreme.

HIAs and blood bins are now parts of practically every test game - it's not just a case of a] a player going off injured for the rest of the game or b] making a deliberate tactical substitution. You'll frequently enough have players going off for 6 or 10 minutes [as we had yesterday].

When you've got one player covering four/five positions [your outside back sub] then there is a trade off between having an 'impact' sub on the bench who only plays one position, and leaving yourself a hostage to fortune. McFadden came on for 8 minutes for Trimble [No14], 4 minutes for Henshaw [No12] and 9 minutes for Payne [No13] ... and every time he just slotted in to the position of the injured player, with nobody else being discommoded.

Beyond that, his 10 tries in 31 tests [15 starts] is a very respectable strike rate, and the fact that it's actually 12 in 32 is even better. I've made this point before on the DM blog, but that neither he nor any of the other players who played and/or scored against Fiji in Thomond in November 2012 is credited with their accomplishment [this game: http://www.irishrugby.ie/rugby/fixtures ... s/5303.php ] sticks in my craw when it comes to mind.

The game wasn't a Wolfhounds fixture - Jamie Heaslip captained the side, and he was the national captain that year - and it was played against a national side. That it was played at Thomond was because the IRFU didn't think they could sell out a Lansdowne Road fixture against Fiji on the back of a stodgy 2012 Six Nations, and their deal with Aviva means that they can't play a home test match anywhere but Lansdowne.

The tries scored by Rob Kearney, Shane Horgan, Drico and Keith Earls [2] in the corresponding fixture three years earlier [this game: http://www.irishrugby.ie/rugby/fixtures ... s/5254.php ] - played against the same opposition, at the same time point in the season, in a provincial ground [the RDS] - go on their test records, while Craig Gilroy's hat-trick and Fergus McFadden's brace don't go on theirs, solely because of a commercial deal the IRFU did with a sponsor in the interim. It's a bit of an injustice.
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is McFadden the new John Kelly?
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simonokeeffe wrote:is McFadden the new John Kelly?
Not hugely far off it. But I would say that Ferg has more raw pace than John Kelly (but like John Kelly, he's not creative at all while being a solid defender). I met Cheika in '09 and he told me (to my surprise) that Ferg was the fastest player in the squad over every sprinting distance they measured from 20 metres to 150. Trevor Hogan was the fastest over 10 metres!
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Although with age and injuries he probably isn't as quick as he used to be.
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As usual Madigan made an excellent impact when he came on. He really is a great sub to have and will be an even biger asset when he gets more play at outhalf in France. Bring it on.
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Raydollard wrote:As usual Madigan made an excellent impact when he came on. He really is a great sub to have and will be an even biger asset when he gets more play at outhalf in France. Bring it on.
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Raydollard wrote:As usual Madigan made an excellent impact when he came on. He really is a great sub to have and will be an even biger asset when he gets more play at outhalf in France. Bring it on.
Well- up to a point Lord Copper...

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Raydollard wrote:As usual Madigan made an excellent impact when he came on. He really is a great sub to have and will be an even biger asset when he gets more play at outhalf in France. Bring it on.
Well- up to a point Lord Copper...

But never mind Ray, we all know this is a laugh now. I assume you're moving to Bordeaux to be close to him in this challenging time?
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wasn't worth saying once
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Ref seemed to do a good job.

relatively handy game, but he was firmly in control
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I thought Toner had a great game and might have been in for mom had it been a different commentator. Also thought Henshaw looked very sharp, he's growing into international rugby well. Zebo had one of his better games, wasn't challenged defensively but his positional play improved. Was a bit surprised that Earls seemed to lack pace a couple of times but his handling seems to have improved too. Good front row performance and please for Cronin to get such a good showing. I thought it was a bit of a quiet day from Stander and VDF but Heaslip was very good. Overall you would have to be happy with that result/performance.
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Raydollard wrote:wasn't worth saying once
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Why was Bealham brought into the squad ahead of the likes of Kilcoyne and Cronin. Are they injured?
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blockhead wrote:Why was Bealham brought into the squad ahead of the likes of Kilcoyne and Cronin. Are they injured?
I think it's because he was training all week with the squad. I think McGrath and Healy were the only looseheads and Ross, White and Bealham the tightheads.
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It's a pity Buckley wasn't fit when the original squad was announced, I'd have had him on the bench on Saturday even if Healy was fit.
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jimbobjoe wrote:
blockhead wrote:Why was Bealham brought into the squad ahead of the likes of Kilcoyne and Cronin. Are they injured?
I think it's because he was training all week with the squad. I think McGrath and Healy were the only looseheads and Ross, White and Bealham the tightheads.
I'd say part of it was to tie him down with a cap if I'm honest. He's Australian with an Irish Granny.
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I thought Cronin got destroyed by Wales.
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CiaranIrl wrote:
jimbobjoe wrote:
blockhead wrote:Why was Bealham brought into the squad ahead of the likes of Kilcoyne and Cronin. Are they injured?
I think it's because he was training all week with the squad. I think McGrath and Healy were the only looseheads and Ross, White and Bealham the tightheads.
I'd say part of it was to tie him down with a cap if I'm honest. He's Australian with an Irish Granny.
Yeah - I'd say that was a factor too
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neilinboston wrote:I thought Cronin got destroyed by Wales.
He never came on against Wales.
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CiaranIrl wrote:
jimbobjoe wrote:
blockhead wrote:Why was Bealham brought into the squad ahead of the likes of Kilcoyne and Cronin. Are they injured?
I think it's because he was training all week with the squad. I think McGrath and Healy were the only looseheads and Ross, White and Bealham the tightheads.
I'd say part of it was to tie him down with a cap if I'm honest. He's Australian with an Irish Granny.
ah I'd doubt that, he was just the 5th prop so had been training with them

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