You sure? not many players if any are going to start tests 3 weekends in a row, especially if they played a world cup and possibly also a league finalGolf Man wrote:Henderson will go into second row - where he is needed most and where Schmidt has played him most - id love to see himself and Diollane given a start v SA - wont happen unless there are injurues though
CJ Stander silences the doubters
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Line-out options cut to shreds and scrum drops about 40kg and puts front-rows under pressure - don't think so
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All Blacks nil wrote:Jamie had a reasonable tournament, nothing more.
All right v Wales , inconspicuous v France, poor v England, good against Italy and excellent v Scotland.
Both Falateau and Billy V easily won their battles on the day although as I've said elsewhere Heaslip was used as an auxiliary wing v England and was not given the opportunity to impose himself on the game.
With regard to Stander, he did indeed silence the doubters some of whom labelled him a flat track PRO12 bully, playing against Italian, Welsh and Scottish opposition!!! He proved himself more than capable at this level. He is not just a one trick pony though and both Joe and Axel could do worse than remember that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=botCDr52vKY
Just like SOB before him surely he would be more effective in softer traffic. Murray's try v Wales, was almost made by Stander's presence alone. Tupuric looks for Stander and Murray sneaked in. I would love to se him receive a little ball further out.
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Faletau 'easily won' the individual battle with Heaslip?All Blacks nil wrote: Both Falateau and Billy V easily won their battles on the day ...
Heaslip: 15 carries for 43m; 18 tackles made/1 missed
Faletau: 15 carries for 22m; 19 tackles made/0 missed
[source: http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/playerstats ... gue=254969 ]
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Watch the game.hugonaut wrote:Faletau 'easily won' the individual battle with Heaslip?All Blacks nil wrote: Both Falateau and Billy V easily won their battles on the day ...
Heaslip: 15 carries for 43m; 18 tackles made/1 missed
Faletau: 15 carries for 22m; 19 tackles made/0 missed
[source: http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/playerstats ... gue=254969 ]
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Yawn. I was at it and watched a recording of the broadcast. If you think that Faletau massively outplayed Heaslip, you don't understand rugby.All Blacks nil wrote:Watch the game.hugonaut wrote:Faletau 'easily won' the individual battle with Heaslip?All Blacks nil wrote: Both Falateau and Billy V easily won their battles on the day ...
Heaslip: 15 carries for 43m; 18 tackles made/1 missed
Faletau: 15 carries for 22m; 19 tackles made/0 missed
[source: http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/playerstats ... gue=254969 ]
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One of the things I think CJ does need to improve on is handling. Twice in Wales game and once in French game he knocked on in opposition 22 without a huge amount of pressure on.
It's something that SOB suffered from when he first came on the scene. Ireland could do worse than look at Vunipola and how he's brought in a passing element to his game this year that keeps opposition guessing.
Having backrows that can offload and pass as well as carry would bring another weapon to our arsenal. Heaslip started doing it in the Scotland and Italy games, hopefully that will continue.
It's something that SOB suffered from when he first came on the scene. Ireland could do worse than look at Vunipola and how he's brought in a passing element to his game this year that keeps opposition guessing.
Having backrows that can offload and pass as well as carry would bring another weapon to our arsenal. Heaslip started doing it in the Scotland and Italy games, hopefully that will continue.
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how the fuvk has an obvious windup thread like this made it past one page of posts?
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Heaslip. He's catnip to Munster fans. Stander is from a long line of Munster players destined to replace Heaslip. Ultimately he's failed again but they're going with the narrative that Standers presense meant Heaslip had his best 6N in a long time. Whereas really it was a fairly vintage Heaslip 6N. Aside from one game where he couldn't raise his game above those around him he was good to brilliant.Oldschoolsocks wrote:how the fuvk has an obvious windup thread like this made it past one page of posts?
Ruddock's tackle stats consistently too low for me to be taken seriously as a Six Nations blindside..... Ruddock's defensive stats don't stack up. - All Blacks Nil, Jan 15th, 2014
England A 8 - 14 Ireland A, 25th Jan 2014
Ruddock(c) 19/2 Tackles
England A 8 - 14 Ireland A, 25th Jan 2014
Ruddock(c) 19/2 Tackles
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In fairness Faletau played in red
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Was that the French or the English match?paddyor wrote:Heaslip. He's catnip to Munster fans. Stander is from a long line of Munster players destined to replace Heaslip. Ultimately he's failed again but they're going with the narrative that Standers presense meant Heaslip had his best 6N in a long time. Whereas really it was a fairly vintage Heaslip 6N. Aside from one game where he couldn't raise his game above those around him he was good to brilliant.Oldschoolsocks wrote:how the fuvk has an obvious windup thread like this made it past one page of posts?
Personally didn't think he was good to brilliant in either. In which one of those was he good to brilliant so that I know at which height the bar is set to acclaim a players performance as a vintage 6N performance.
He was good to brilliant v Italy and Scotland and probably in that order, fair to middling v Wales, poor to fair v France and poor V England. Not quite vintage in my book.
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Because CJ Stander failed to silence his Munster WUM buddiesOldschoolsocks wrote:how the fuvk has an obvious windup thread like this made it past one page of posts?
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall who's the greatest player of them all? It is Drico your majesty.
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If you read many the comments about heaslip improving as a result of having stander beside him, you will find out that it's mostly Leinster fans that have that opinion.paddyor wrote:Heaslip. He's catnip to Munster fans. Stander is from a long line of Munster players destined to replace Heaslip. Ultimately he's failed again but they're going with the narrative that Standers presense meant Heaslip had his best 6N in a long time. Whereas really it was a fairly vintage Heaslip 6N. Aside from one game where he couldn't raise his game above those around him he was good to brilliant.Oldschoolsocks wrote:how the fuvk has an obvious windup thread like this made it past one page of posts?
There is no doubting that Heaslip upped his game, and as a result he may well have secured his position for the foreseeable future, and if he continues in this vein of form, the ultimately Ireland are the winners.
Heaslip at his best can be close to world class, and right now he is getting close to his best.
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