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Re: The looking forward to the Lions Tour thread

Postby Peg Leg » July 8th, 2017, 6:29 pm

I think Ireland would have won that series
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Re: The looking forward to the Lions Tour thread

Postby Dave Cahill » July 8th, 2017, 6:38 pm

Peg Leg wrote:I think Ireland would have won that series


I think Ireland would have nearly won the series
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Re: The looking forward to the Lions Tour thread

Postby wixfjord » July 8th, 2017, 7:04 pm

Peg Leg wrote:I think Ireland would have won that series


The only place we're enormously below that Lions team is second row. Not sure Toner and Treadwell would be able to match up to Whitelock/Retallick.

Similarly there's much more physicality and pace in Lions outside backs.

The value of knowing the guys around you so well can't be overstated though.
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Re: The looking forward to the Lions Tour thread

Postby Peg Leg » July 8th, 2017, 7:24 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:
Peg Leg wrote:I think Ireland would have won that series


I think Ireland would have nearly won the series

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Re: The looking forward to the Lions Tour thread

Postby hugonaut » July 8th, 2017, 7:59 pm

Lions got a few very dodgy calls today from Romaine Poite. If I was a Kiwi I'd be irritated. I didn't think that Kaino deserved a yellow card and Ken Owens was very obviously offside and caught the ball before dropping it right at the end.

The Lions might not be satisfied with a drawn match [and a drawn series] at the moment, but they should be. They were lucky to get a draw, both in the match and the series. I thought the final decision last weekend to penalise Charlie Faumuina was really iffy and obviously the Lions wouldn't have won the game without it. This time out they were the beneficiary of Romain Poite's extremely questionable decision, which is only 'in the spirit' of the game if you're a Lions fan.

Jordan Barrett is an International Player of the Year in waiting. I've never seen a more accomplished performance from a 20 year old in as big a match. He was absolutely nerveless out there and was extremely impressive. Very interesting to see where Hansen decides is his best position.
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Re: The looking forward to the Lions Tour thread

Postby neiliog93 » July 8th, 2017, 10:35 pm

I think a large percentage of penalties given for offsides in those circumstances should actually be scrums, in the sense that it's not an individual's fault if the ball hits off him after going forward off a teammate (even if he instinctively half sticks out an arm). Kaino's was definitely a yellow for me. I would actually say the penalty at the death last week (Faumuina on Sinckler) was a tough call where AB fans had a right to feel aggrieved.
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Re: The looking forward to the Lions Tour thread

Postby enby » July 8th, 2017, 11:32 pm

It was an atrocious call by Poite (he should have played advantage) just as his call against Warburton for the very first penalty was too. Serious quality in the NZ restarts which other teams should work hard to copy.

How on earth did AWJ pass the HIA? It seems extraordinary that he was allowed back on to the field after what happened to him. I hope that he does not suffer as a result. Very good piece on him on the BBC Sport site

Finally, what an amazing 12 months Tadhgh Furlong has had. He is undoubtedly our first world class tight head in years. Massive credit is due to him and his coaches at Leinster and Ireland
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Re: The looking forward to the Lions Tour thread

Postby RAILWAY1 » July 9th, 2017, 12:58 am

The fact that AW Jones was allowed back today is a telling indictment of World Rugby's ruling on HIAs . Players today are bigger,faster and stronger than those who went before them but this means the hits have more impact. Some players are more brave than clever and must be protected from themselves or we could end up with more and more player developing brain diseases earlier in their lives
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Re: The looking forward to the Lions Tour thread

Postby Oldschool » July 9th, 2017, 8:49 am

Garland is a lucky general.
Hansen and NZ were afraid the lions could do an Ireland on them.
They adjusted their strategy which made them lest dangerous.
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Re: The looking forward to the Lions Tour thread

Postby simonokeeffe » July 9th, 2017, 9:31 am

think Im the only who thought the call last week on Sinckler was ok, he jumped to catch the ball not jump into the tackle
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: The looking forward to the Lions Tour thread

Postby Oldschoolsocks » July 9th, 2017, 10:25 am

simonokeeffe wrote:think Im the only who thought the call last week on Sinckler was ok, he jumped to catch the ball not jump into the tackle

Instinctively I thought he jumpe into the tackle, on rewatching he did jump for the ball.

Bigger issue was the tackle looked like a no arm tackle - so yeah it was a good penalty
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Re: The looking forward to the Lions Tour thread

Postby fourthirtythree » July 9th, 2017, 11:19 am

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simonokeeffe wrote:think Im the only who thought the call last week on Sinckler was ok, he jumped to catch the ball not jump into the tackle

Instinctively I thought he jumpe into the tackle, on rewatching he did jump for the ball.

Bigger issue was the tackle looked like a no arm tackle - so yeah it was a good penalty

I feel Sinckler hadn't jumped for the ball it would have been a penalty for a no arm trip tackle without the ball. Instead it was the penalty it was.

The yellow yesterday should be completely uncontroversial, he came in head high with his eyes open and swung his arm at AWJ, who was also getting a no arm tackle on his left at the same time.

I just don't see how the offside wasn't a penalty. NZ were robbed of a kick to win the series by an inconsistent decision.
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Re: The looking forward to the Lions Tour thread

Postby Cathalsmart » July 9th, 2017, 12:10 pm

wixfjord wrote:
Peg Leg wrote:I think Ireland would have won that series


The only place we're enormously below that Lions team is second row. Not sure Toner and Treadwell would be able to match up to Whitelock/Retallick.

Similarly there's much more physicality and pace in Lions outside backs.

The value of knowing the guys around you so well can't be overstated though.


Its pretty hard for our back's to show any pace when they are getting the ball standing still the whole time.
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Re: The looking forward to the Lions Tour thread

Postby cormac » July 9th, 2017, 12:19 pm

Reid was yards offside from the restart

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Re: The looking forward to the Lions Tour thread

Postby jimbobjoe » July 9th, 2017, 12:37 pm

cormac wrote:Reid was yards offside from the restart

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He wasn't. That still tells you nothing. Watch the video footage and you'll see that he times his run excellently.
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Re: The looking forward to the Lions Tour thread

Postby Hippo » July 9th, 2017, 1:20 pm

fourthirtythree wrote:The yellow yesterday should be completely uncontroversial, he came in head high with his eyes open and swung his arm at AWJ, who was also getting a no arm tackle on his left at the same time.


Thought I posted about this last night but clearly pressed the wrong button at the crucial moment. Absolutely - the yellow was automatic for a swinging arm to the head. At least Poite spotted that one, there were a few neck rolls and no-arms efforts sprinkled about the place that he missed.
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Re: The looking forward to the Lions Tour thread

Postby RAILWAY1 » July 9th, 2017, 8:31 pm

The series is over and going back over decisions good or bad only frustrates you, the big thing I would be looking at now is the condition of the Irish players coming back. I just hope the injuries they shipped are not as serious some of them looked
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Re: The looking forward to the Lions Tour thread

Postby simonokeeffe » July 10th, 2017, 12:38 pm

BaBas trying to make their game v NZ on November 4th in Twickenham an unofficial 4th test and are talking to the unions about player release

They can f right off

Regular AIs start the next week. Wales have 4 games so theyll probably say no as will Eddie Jones
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Re: The looking forward to the Lions Tour thread

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » July 10th, 2017, 12:46 pm

For all the criticism I had for Gatland he got the test team to gel pretty well and drawing the series is a great achievement even if it feels hollow because of how it played out. Still think he made a lot of mistakes and was lucky with some aspects of the series but at the end of the day he managed to mould a team that could toe to toe with the best team in the world in a very short period of time.

As much as I still think NZ are the best team in the world, they must be a bit worried about some of the new generation not quite stepping up as expected. Every time we've expected a reaction from them after a relatively poor performance they haven't really managed it. Yes they played some great stuff in Dublin but that victory was more about the physical aspect and they got lucky with cards/our injuries. Considering how good their Super Rugby teams have looked, they've just been a bit flat in comparison.
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Re: The looking forward to the Lions Tour thread

Postby Dave Cahill » July 10th, 2017, 1:09 pm

LeRouxIsPHat wrote:For all the criticism I had for Gatland he got the test team to gel pretty well and drawing the series is a great achievement even if it feels hollow because of how it played out. Still think he made a lot of mistakes and was lucky with some aspects of the series but at the end of the day he managed to mould a team that could toe to toe with the best team in the world in a very short period of time.


When Gatland was doing things a head coach does he was a success, when he did things a Director of Rugby does he was a disaster.
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