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In decline since 09

Postby paddyor » November 13th, 2016, 11:45 pm

Won try of the year for the one against Italy

Heres to 2 hopefully 3 more years of glorious decline!
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Re: In decline since 09

Postby blockhead » November 14th, 2016, 9:57 am

His "decline" is something spouted in certain sections of the popular media and repeated by those who have a nutured dislike of anything associated with the pale. The coaches he has worked under however, Cheika, Schmidt, MOC, Cullen, Kidney, all have him as their No8 when he ia available, which is always. The wider rugby world seem to appreciate him too. 3 Nominations for World player of the year (1 Junior) is all you really need to know. A great Tiberian.
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Re: In decline since 09

Postby simonokeeffe » November 14th, 2016, 10:27 am

I look forward to Keith Wood reacting to the news by pointing out Dennis Leamy scored a great try against Perpignan seven years ago and Stander's against NZ

Heaslip is probably the only player where not making the Lions will be used as a stick to beat him with

barring more knees to the ribs hes on course for 100th international appearance in 6n, 100th Ireland cap next Autumn
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: In decline since 09

Postby Dave Cahill » November 14th, 2016, 10:29 am

simonokeeffe wrote:I look forward to Keith Wood reacting to the news by pointing out Dennis Leamy scored a great try against Perpignan seven years ago and Stander's against NZ

Heaslip is probably the only player where not making the Lions will be used as a stick to beat him with

barring more knees to the ribs hes on course for 100th international appearance in 6n, 100th Ireland cap next Autumn



I don't see that happening. The question is whether he starts in the tests or not - but, ceteris paribus, he's a cert to make the squad.
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Re: In decline since 09

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » November 14th, 2016, 1:15 pm

Don't know about that. Billy V and Faletau would be certainties for me.
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Re: In decline since 09

Postby CiaranIrl » November 14th, 2016, 1:29 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:I look forward to Keith Wood reacting to the news by pointing out Dennis Leamy scored a great try against Perpignan seven years ago and Stander's against NZ

Heaslip is probably the only player where not making the Lions will be used as a stick to beat him with

barring more knees to the ribs hes on course for 100th international appearance in 6n, 100th Ireland cap next Autumn



I don't see that happening. The question is whether he starts in the tests or not - but, ceteris paribus, he's a cert to make the squad.


He would be a cert for any normal, reasonable coach. Mr. Played 30, won 4 vs southern hemisphere Gatland is a different beast altogether.
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Re: In decline since 09

Postby Oldschool » November 14th, 2016, 1:40 pm

LeRouxIsPHat wrote:Don't know about that. Billy V and Faletau would be certainties for me.

You got it in one. Jamie will be cannon fodder at best. He'd be better off adding to his caps haul in Japan and the USA.
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Re: In decline since 09

Postby Dave Cahill » November 14th, 2016, 2:24 pm

LeRouxIsPHat wrote:Don't know about that. Billy V and Faletau would be certainties for me.


Now, we're only one game into the Autumn Series I know, but I see Ireland and England playing for the championship, Scotland finishing third and Wales and France trying to not lose to Italy. That being the case, I don't see Falatau as a certainty at all. Its not even a certainty that he makes the Welsh team between his ongoing injuries and Ross Moriarity.
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Re: In decline since 09

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » November 14th, 2016, 2:51 pm

I just can't see Gatland not picking Faletau and suspect he'd be more a fan of his explosiveness than Jamie's brains. That's no criticism of Jamie btw, he's been brilliant all year. I wouldn't have expected him to be in the mix for the Lions but he absolutely is.
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Re: In decline since 09

Postby simonokeeffe » November 14th, 2016, 3:07 pm

For me of the eligible specialist 8s Vunipola is the best (carrier) and Faletau will be picked and I only see them picking 2 specialists, and all 3 are specialists
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: In decline since 09

Postby Dave Cahill » November 14th, 2016, 3:27 pm

Vunipola and Heaslip with Stander. Faletau may go, but he is far from the starting line let alone in the race at the moment - he has to get back into a Bath team thats been going pretty well without him since he got injured first of all. Gatland won't take a power game to New Zealand. It doesn't work, and he knows it doesn't work, which is why he started transitioning Wales away from it before he went on sabbatical.

Theres a school of thought that says that Gatland will take him because he's welsh, I think people forget that Wazza's only loyalty is to the Democratic Peoples Republic of Gatland
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Re: In decline since 09

Postby jezzer » November 14th, 2016, 3:31 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:Vunipola and Heaslip with Stander. Faletau may go, but he is far from the starting line let alone in the race at the moment - he has to get back into a Bath team thats been going pretty well without him since he got injured first of all. Gatland won't take a power game to New Zealand. It doesn't work, and he knows it doesn't work, which is why he started transitioning Wales away from it before he went on sabbatical.

Theres a school of thought that says that Gatland will take him because he's welsh, I think people forget that Wazza's only loyalty is to the Democratic Peoples Republic of Gatland


There's nothing Democratic about that Republic.
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Re: In decline since 09

Postby Dave Cahill » November 14th, 2016, 3:39 pm

jezzer wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote:Vunipola and Heaslip with Stander. Faletau may go, but he is far from the starting line let alone in the race at the moment - he has to get back into a Bath team thats been going pretty well without him since he got injured first of all. Gatland won't take a power game to New Zealand. It doesn't work, and he knows it doesn't work, which is why he started transitioning Wales away from it before he went on sabbatical.

Theres a school of thought that says that Gatland will take him because he's welsh, I think people forget that Wazza's only loyalty is to the Democratic Peoples Republic of Gatland


There's nothing Democratic about that Republic.



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Re: In decline since 09

Postby ronk » November 14th, 2016, 5:37 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:
jezzer wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote:Vunipola and Heaslip with Stander. Faletau may go, but he is far from the starting line let alone in the race at the moment - he has to get back into a Bath team thats been going pretty well without him since he got injured first of all. Gatland won't take a power game to New Zealand. It doesn't work, and he knows it doesn't work, which is why he started transitioning Wales away from it before he went on sabbatical.

Theres a school of thought that says that Gatland will take him because he's welsh, I think people forget that Wazza's only loyalty is to the Democratic Peoples Republic of Gatland


There's nothing Democratic about that Republic.



Sir Humphrey Appleby: East Yemen, isn't that a democracy?
Sir Richard Wharton: Its full name is the Peoples' Democratic Republic of East Yemen.
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Haha

Or the Federal Republic of Germany and the Democratic Republic of Germany


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Re: In decline since 09

Postby Hippo » November 14th, 2016, 6:44 pm

Not forgetting the Democratic People's Republic of Korea
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Re: In decline since 09

Postby paddyor » November 14th, 2016, 9:48 pm

I think Faletau is a cert to travel assuming he can prove his fitness. I also think the Welsh in the 6N will be a very different prospect than the Welsh in the Pro12/Europe/AIs.
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Re: In decline since 09

Postby offshorerules » November 15th, 2016, 1:00 pm

It's curious how on Shelbyville the Munster fans have first found a way to suggest it shouldn't have been awarded to Heaslip as it was a team try and secondly slag McFadden off for nearly butchering it. Sad.
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Re: In decline since 09

Postby simonokeeffe » November 15th, 2016, 1:07 pm

paddyor wrote:I think Faletau is a cert to travel assuming he can prove his fitness. I also think the Welsh in the 6N will be a very different prospect than the Welsh in the Pro12/Europe/AIs.


Last Lions year Wales were muck in AIs but won 6n IIRC

Now theyre slowly realising its 1917 and what theyve been doing wont win them the war

I dont see Stander going, too many guys that can cover 6 like Itoje, Henderson, SOB
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: In decline since 09

Postby offshorerules » November 15th, 2016, 1:13 pm

I still reckon it's way way too early to be predicting who travels or not but I'd think that if the team was being picked today Stander travels at least and possibly is a test starter. But the team isn't picked today ......
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Re: In decline since 09

Postby paddyor » November 15th, 2016, 2:55 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:
paddyor wrote:I think Faletau is a cert to travel assuming he can prove his fitness. I also think the Welsh in the 6N will be a very different prospect than the Welsh in the Pro12/Europe/AIs.


Last Lions year Wales were muck in AIs but won 6n IIRC

Now theyre slowly realising its 1917 and what theyve been doing wont win them the war

I dont see Stander going, too many guys that can cover 6 like Itoje, Henderson, SOB

And the pro12 form of the regions is very 2012 at the moment. And yeah I know Faletau is no longer at a region. But they must know that if they have a good 6n and they're in a tight decision Gatland will likely give them the nod.
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