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Re: Ireland Under 20 2017

Postby goreyguy » March 9th, 2017, 11:46 am

Ireland u20 team:

1. Joey Conway(Munster)
2. Tadgh McElroy(Leinster)
3. Charlie Connolly(Leinster)
4. Fineen Whycherly(Munster)
5. Oisin Dowling(Leinster)
6. Gavin Coombes(Munster)
7. Paul Boyle(Leinster)
8. Caelan Doris(Leinster)
9. Jonny Stewart(Ulster)
10. Bill Johnston(Munster)
11. Calvin Nash(Munster)(Captain)
12. Ciaran Frawley(Leinster)
13. Jack Kelly(Leinster)
14. Tommy O'Brien(Leinster)
15. Jordan Larmour(Leinster)
16. Ronan Kelleher(Leinster)
17. Greg McGrath(Leinster)
18. Matthew Burke(Connacht)
19. Jack Regan(Leinster)
20. Marcus Rea(Ulster)
21. Jack Stafford(Munster)
22. Conor Fitzgerald(Munster)
23. Colm Hogan(Munster)
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Re: Ireland Under 20 2017

Postby All Blacks nil » March 9th, 2017, 11:58 am

All Blacks nil wrote:Jack Lyons injured
Probably out for rest of 6N


Nothing too serious. Originally touch and go for this but probably misses next week as well
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Re: Ireland Under 20 2017

Postby dropkick » March 9th, 2017, 3:01 pm

Is Cooper dropped?

EDIT Just saw he is injured.
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Re: Ireland Under 20 2017

Postby Dave Cahill » March 11th, 2017, 7:40 pm

Well that first try was pure porn
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Re: Ireland Under 20 2017

Postby Oldschool » March 11th, 2017, 8:51 pm

There should be a mechanism for citing a TMO.
Great refereeing to override the TMO.
A blatant forward pass and the TMO tried to make out it wasn't forward.
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Re: Ireland Under 20 2017

Postby JohnB » March 11th, 2017, 9:01 pm

Wales appear to have scored at least two tries with forward passes in the build up to both. The Irish lads can feel a bit hard done by. It would have been three tries if the Ref hadn't over ruled the TMO.
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Re: Ireland Under 20 2017

Postby dropkick » March 11th, 2017, 9:20 pm

Good effort but I thought they looked knackered after 60 min physically and mentally.

Scrums were dominant but Wales dominated the lineouts. I don't think Wales lost any lineout.

Defence, lineout and breakdown are areas they need to work on. Wales got some very soft scores. They looked very good in attack.
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Re: Ireland Under 20 2017

Postby Oldschool » March 11th, 2017, 10:09 pm

dropkick wrote:Good effort but I thought they looked knackered after 60 min physically and mentally.

Scrums were dominant but Wales dominated the lineouts. I don't think Wales lost any lineout.

Defence, lineout and breakdown are areas they need to work on. Wales got some very soft scores. They looked very good in attack.

10/12 channel was a little porous.
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Re: Ireland Under 20 2017

Postby Ruckedtobits » March 11th, 2017, 11:08 pm

A game that could have been won by more discipline in attack and some alterations of positions in defence. Excellent attacking running, up to the 22m line. But, too often, far too often, white line fever was exhibited by forwards and backs alike and chances spurned.

In defence, each player demonstrated they could tackle, albeit three of them on one shoulder only. But their overall cohesion was poor in mid-field and they bought dummies with alarming regularity. If Carolan was responsible for defensive preparation, there was a lot left on the training park and neglected for the evening.

A great pity, as this 20s team has more pace and handling skills than we've seen for years.
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Re: Ireland Under 20 2017

Postby BrockBoy » March 12th, 2017, 9:43 pm

Kelly is out. Nash should be fine for Friday.
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Re: Ireland Under 20 2017

Postby dropkick » March 13th, 2017, 12:21 pm

The defence was porous alright but that was partly down to a good Welsh attack. They had a nice attacking pod system that they used to good effect.


It should be noted too that Wales, England and France play a mini tournament in South Africa every year so they'll have a lot more time to mould the team into a cohesive unit and work on their individual fitness etc.
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Re: Ireland Under 20 2017

Postby El Diablo » March 13th, 2017, 6:51 pm

BrockBoy wrote:Kelly is out. Nash should be fine for Friday.

Is it bad do you know? Trinity need him back at full throttle for their last 3 AIL matches.
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Re: Ireland Under 20 2017

Postby BrockBoy » March 14th, 2017, 12:41 am

El Diablo wrote:
BrockBoy wrote:Kelly is out. Nash should be fine for Friday.

Is it bad do you know? Trinity need him back at full throttle for their last 3 AIL matches.

I'm not sure in terms of weeks but heard it's the AC joint again.
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Re: Ireland Under 20 2017

Postby goreyguy » March 15th, 2017, 5:20 pm

Ireland u20 team:

1. Joey Conway(Munster)
2. Tadgh McElroy(Leinster)
3. Charlie Connolly(Leinster)
4. Fineen Whycherly(Munster)
5. Oisin Dowling(Leinster)
6. John Foley(Munster)
7. Paul Boyle(Leinster)
8. Caelan Doris(Leinster)
9. Jonny Stewart(Ulster)
10. Bill Johnston(Munster)
11. Calvin Nash(Munster)(Captain)
12. Ciaran Frawley(Leinster)
13. Gavin Mullin(Leinster)
14. Tommy O'Brien(Leinster)
15. Jordan Larmour(Leinster)
16. Ronan Kelleher(Leinster)
17. Greg McGrath(Leinster)
18. Matthew Burke(Connacht)
19. Jack Regan(Leinster)
20. Gavin Coombes(Munster)
21. Jack Stafford(Munster)
22. Conor Fitzgerald(Munster)
23. Colm Hogan(Munster)
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Re: Ireland Under 20 2017

Postby Cor. Ind. » March 15th, 2017, 5:40 pm

goreyguy wrote:Ireland u20 team:

1. Joey Conway(Munster)
2. Tadgh McElroy(Leinster)
3. Charlie Connolly(Leinster)
4. Fineen Whycherly(Munster)
5. Oisin Dowling(Leinster)
6. John Foley(Munster)
7. Paul Boyle(Leinster)
8. Caelan Doris(Leinster)
9. Jonny Stewart(Ulster)
10. Bill Johnston(Munster)
11. Calvin Nash(Munster)(Captain)
12. Ciaran Frawley(Leinster)
13. Gavin Mullin(Leinster)
14. Tommy O'Brien(Leinster)
15. Jordan Larmour(Leinster)
16. Ronan Kelleher(Leinster)
17. Greg McGrath(Leinster)
18. Matthew Burke(Connacht)
19. Jack Regan(Leinster)
20. Gavin Coombes(Munster)
21. Jack Stafford(Munster)
22. Conor Fitzgerald(Munster)
23. Colm Hogan(Munster)


If you were to bet your house on 3 from 5 of the above being capped, who would they be?

Doris, Johnson, Larmour, Nash & Wycherley in that order for me.
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Re: Ireland Under 20 2017

Postby Oldschool » March 15th, 2017, 6:33 pm

Cor. Ind. wrote:
goreyguy wrote:Ireland u20 team:

1. Joey Conway(Munster)
2. Tadgh McElroy(Leinster)
3. Charlie Connolly(Leinster)
4. Fineen Whycherly(Munster)
5. Oisin Dowling(Leinster)
6. John Foley(Munster)
7. Paul Boyle(Leinster)
8. Caelan Doris(Leinster)
9. Jonny Stewart(Ulster)
10. Bill Johnston(Munster)
11. Calvin Nash(Munster)(Captain)
12. Ciaran Frawley(Leinster)
13. Gavin Mullin(Leinster)
14. Tommy O'Brien(Leinster)
15. Jordan Larmour(Leinster)
16. Ronan Kelleher(Leinster)
17. Greg McGrath(Leinster)
18. Matthew Burke(Connacht)
19. Jack Regan(Leinster)
20. Gavin Coombes(Munster)
21. Jack Stafford(Munster)
22. Conor Fitzgerald(Munster)
23. Colm Hogan(Munster)


If you were to bet your house on 3 from 5 of the above being capped, who would they be?

Doris, Johnson, Larmour, Nash & Wycherley in that order for me.

Connolly definitely and O'Brien has impressed at times too.
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Re: Ireland Under 20 2017

Postby dropkick » March 15th, 2017, 8:06 pm

Agree with the above names and Carolan has also mentioned Dowling, who has looked good too.

It'll be interesting to see how John Foley does. He was part of the squad last year too so he must be rated. Coombes played well last week and reminds me of Rhys Ruddock a bit.
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Re: Ireland Under 20 2017

Postby BrockBoy » March 15th, 2017, 8:16 pm

dropkick wrote:Agree with the above names and Carolan has also mentioned Dowling, who has looked good too.

It'll be interesting to see how John Foley does. He was part of the squad last year too so he must be rated. Coombes played well last week and reminds me of Rhys Ruddock a bit.

Very interested to see Foley. Thought Gavin Coombes played a stormer v Wales so he must be good to get the jump on him.
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Re: Ireland Under 20 2017

Postby dropkick » March 16th, 2017, 2:44 pm

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugb...-35535892.html

Free spirit of U-20s stark contrast with senior 'process'

At a time when most top international coaches are obsessed with sticking to the rigidly set 'process', there is something refreshing about watching the U-20s Six Nations and later in the year, the Junior World Cup.
In Ireland, there is far less pressure put on the end result - it's more about the performance and how the young players take the responsibility upon themselves.
When Nigel Carolan took over as Ireland's U-20s head coach late in 2014, he sought to empower the youngsters and allow them to make key decisions for themselves.


Under Carolan's watch, the review sessions are driven by the players, as is the analysis done on the opposition: certain individuals are expected to present game-plans to the management, while the captain is voted for by his team-mates.
It is a far cry from what happens when they reach the senior set-up, which begs the question: is there a gap between how the U-20s are being coached on and off the field, and what happens in reality in Carton House?


Joe Schmidt is a notoriously tough task-master and has often mentioned how his teams are performance-based and driven by the process.
Admittedly, the U-20s is a world away from the stakes at senior international level, but the current squad contains some outstanding talents who are thriving in the freedom that is being afforded to them.


Earlier this week, Carolan claimed that this team had some of the best individuals this country has produced at age-grade level, and it is difficult to disagree with that assessment.
Jordan Larmour has been hugely impressive throughout the Six Nations and along with Jack Kelly, has already trained with the senior squad when Schmidt called them into a session last in November, which tells you how highly the pair are thought of.


The expansive brand of rugby that the U-20s are playing is far from what we have seen from Schmidt's side in recent weeks and while again it must be put into context, there is a fear in certain quarters that when these young players make the step up, the relentless need to stick to the process may in some cases stunt their potential.
"We're doing things both on and off the field where the players have to be the decision makers," Carolan said back in January 2015.


"The intention is that the coaches will facilitate a lot of the work earlier in the week, but we hope that later in the week, we'll step back and let the players take over.
"The primary focus there is that in the game, they actually don't have to look up to the stand and say 'What do you want us to do next?' They have a menu of options and they've got to decide among themselves. For us, it's a huge trust element."


Carolan has stayed true to his word and his players have benefited hugely. If one incident best sums up his mantra, it is Calvin Nash's try against Wales last weekend.
The ball was kicked to the back field where Larmour calmly collected it before assessing his options.


With seemingly nothing on, Larmour turned on the after-burners, which are devastating, before linking up with Nash, another exciting prospect on the left wing, who ran clear in the corner.
Ireland's counter-attack has been nowhere near the standards that Schmidt demands, and one wonders how much of that is down to a fear taking hold of the players and stifling their natural instinct.


Simon Zebo largely looks a different player when playing in Munster red, while Robbie Henshaw, who Brian O'Driscoll anointed as the next outside-centre in 2014, has been turned into a battering ram.


Henshaw only featured once for the Ireland U-20s, mainly due to his fast-tracking to the senior set-up, but there was a lot more to his game then than what we are seeing now.
The English system by contrast is thriving - they have won the Six Nations in two of the last three years at both U-20s and senior level.


Carolan expects several of his protégés to soon make the step up and when they do, they must be allowed express themselves.


Ireland have a lot of genuine talents on their hands, how they are managed in the coming years will determine how much of a force they will become on the world stage.
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Re: Ireland Under 20 2017

Postby goreyguy » March 16th, 2017, 4:19 pm

shite comparison.
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