Backup Hooker for 6 Nations

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Who should wear 16 for Ireland during the 6 nations?

Tracy
5
11%
Scannell
27
57%
Herring
1
2%
Strauss
10
21%
CJ Stander
4
9%
 
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Backup Hooker for 6 Nations

Postby simonokeeffe » January 16th, 2017, 8:03 pm

Cronin out for 10 weeks raises the question
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: Backup Hooker for 6 Nations

Postby Oldschool » January 16th, 2017, 9:51 pm

I see we have a least four Munster visitors to our blue shores.
A bit unfair to CJ tbh.
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Re: Backup Hooker for 6 Nations

Postby dropkick » January 17th, 2017, 12:23 am

I presume Tracy and Scannell will be the next 2 after Best. Question is in what order. There's still a few games to go.

Good to see some hookers emerge this season. Good timing because Best isn't getting any younger. Dave Heffernan might also be an option down the line.
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Re: Backup Hooker for 6 Nations

Postby Golf Man » January 17th, 2017, 9:06 am

Big step up for either of them tbh

Tracey is probably a more like for like replacement for Cronin - Scannell more like Best as a player

Could well be Strauss though, although hopefully not

Tracey has an advanatge of playing with Toner- I'd be more inclined to go with the safe option in the event that Best goes down early
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Re: Backup Hooker for 6 Nations

Postby All Blacks nil » January 17th, 2017, 10:20 am

Golf Man wrote:Big step up for either of them tbh

Tracey is probably a more like for like replacement for Cronin - Scannell more like Best as a player

Could well be Strauss though, although hopefully not

Tracey has an advanatge of playing with Toner- I'd be more inclined to go with the safe option in the event that Best goes down early


Who should?
Scannell
Who will?
Tracey
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Re: Backup Hooker for 6 Nations

Postby OTT » January 17th, 2017, 10:36 am

No Duncan Casey option?

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=23713&p=613055&hilit=duncan+casey#p613055


Okay well in that case I would go with Scannell at this point in time.
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Re: Backup Hooker for 6 Nations

Postby All Blacks nil » January 17th, 2017, 10:45 am

OTT wrote:No Duncan Casey option?

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=23713&p=613055&hilit=duncan+casey#p613055


Okay well in that case I would go with Scannell at this point in time.


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Re: Backup Hooker for 6 Nations

Postby fourthirtythree » January 17th, 2017, 11:46 am

Tracey had a pretty poor time at the lineout weekend before last so you would have thought Scannell was ahead. Scannel had a poor time at lineout and scrum last weekend whereas Tracey was part of a dominant scrum and excellent lineout. Strauss has improved from his poor form (suggesting that it may be form rather than permanent).

It's really not like there is a clear cut number 3 hooker in Ireland at all. I don't see any one of them being a "should" play. None of them goes beyond "could" play but you wouldn't want them to start.
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Re: Backup Hooker for 6 Nations

Postby Oldschool » January 17th, 2017, 11:47 am

All Blacks nil wrote:
Golf Man wrote:Big step up for either of them tbh

Tracey is probably a more like for like replacement for Cronin - Scannell more like Best as a player

Could well be Strauss though, although hopefully not

Tracey has an advanatge of playing with Toner- I'd be more inclined to go with the safe option in the event that Best goes down early


Who should?
Scannell
Who will?
Tracey

Either would be more than capable.
Scannell for me has the edge.
But your suggestion that Joe will pick a player based on provincial bias is pure bull.
Joe is the Ireland coach, pure and simple.
He doesn't operate the way EOS or Kidney did.
The fact that you think he would be biased only gives weight to the impression that EOS and Kidney were biased towards Munster players.
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Re: Backup Hooker for 6 Nations

Postby Golf Man » January 17th, 2017, 12:17 pm

fourthirtythree wrote:Tracey had a pretty poor time at the lineout weekend before last so you would have thought Scannell was ahead. Scannel had a poor time at lineout and scrum last weekend whereas Tracey was part of a dominant scrum and excellent lineout. Strauss has improved from his poor form (suggesting that it may be form rather than permanent).

It's really not like there is a clear cut number 3 hooker in Ireland at all. I don't see any one of them being a "should" play. None of them goes beyond "could" play but you wouldn't want them to start.


Not sure where you are getting Scannell had a poor time at the lineout at the weekend - think Munster were 10/11 in lineouts and Kilcoyne conceded one penalty in the scrum, think that was it. He wasn't as stand out as he was v Racing (his throwing there was Flannery esque - think every throw went to back or middle), but they threw primarily to 2 at the weekend, obviously part of a gameplan to keep it tight

I don't think there is an arguement that Scannell is a safer bet for lineout and scrum - there is an argument that Tracey is a better impact sub. Might depend on the other selections - I don't think Henderson is nailed on to start at this point in time - if you have Healy, Bealham, Henderson and possibly POM on the bench do you go with a safer option at hooker backup - whereas if you have Henderson starting and say Ryan on the bench you might be inclined to go with Tracey
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Re: Backup Hooker for 6 Nations

Postby All Blacks nil » January 17th, 2017, 12:34 pm

Oldschool wrote:
All Blacks nil wrote:
Golf Man wrote:Big step up for either of them tbh

Tracey is probably a more like for like replacement for Cronin - Scannell more like Best as a player

Could well be Strauss though, although hopefully not

Tracey has an advanatge of playing with Toner- I'd be more inclined to go with the safe option in the event that Best goes down early


Who should?
Scannell
Who will?
Tracey

Either would be more than capable.
Scannell for me has the edge.
But your suggestion that Joe will pick a player based on provincial bias is pure bull.
Joe is the Ireland coach, pure and simple.
He doesn't operate the way EOS or Kidney did.
The fact that you think he would be biased only gives weight to the impression that EOS and Kidney were biased towards Munster players.


A little precious Oldschool. I never mentioned a provincial bias.
Tracey has been in Joe's national camp more than Scannell and going by previous history and that is a obvious advantage to Tracey.
Hopefully both Scannell and Tracey will be in front of Strauss at the very least.
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Re: Backup Hooker for 6 Nations

Postby simonokeeffe » January 17th, 2017, 12:36 pm

All Blacks nil wrote:
Golf Man wrote:Big step up for either of them tbh

Tracey is probably a more like for like replacement for Cronin - Scannell more like Best as a player

Could well be Strauss though, although hopefully not

Tracey has an advanatge of playing with Toner- I'd be more inclined to go with the safe option in the event that Best goes down early


Who should?
Scannell
Who will?
Tracey


Have to agree myself
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: Backup Hooker for 6 Nations

Postby neiliog93 » January 17th, 2017, 12:37 pm

Scannell any day of the week. I like Tracy but Scannell was outstanding at u-20 level and has really hit some form of late.
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Re: Backup Hooker for 6 Nations

Postby Ruckedtobits » January 17th, 2017, 11:30 pm

Scannel beside either McGrath or Healy will not weaken scrum at all. Treacy a more dynamic defender and ball carrier but more vulnerable thrower. Time in Camp is significant but so is homework and I suspect Scannell will have been briefed by POM about its importance for Joe's team.
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Re: Backup Hooker for 6 Nations

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » January 18th, 2017, 11:13 am

Definitely Scannell for me but reckon it'll be Tracy. It's exciting to see these guys coming through but if Best gets injured then things won't seem so good. Big gap in terms of experience without Cronin there and with Strauss probably not in the mix.
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Re: Backup Hooker for 6 Nations

Postby Dave Cahill » January 18th, 2017, 11:18 am

No one has voted for Rob Herring - I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss his chances.
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Re: Backup Hooker for 6 Nations

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » January 18th, 2017, 11:32 am

I thought he was injured?

Edit: Also hasn't been in great form this season anyway.
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Re: Backup Hooker for 6 Nations

Postby cormac » January 18th, 2017, 11:34 am

Where's the Sean O'Brien option?
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Re: Backup Hooker for 6 Nations

Postby Dave Cahill » January 18th, 2017, 12:40 pm

LeRouxIsPHat wrote:I thought he was injured?

Edit: Also hasn't been in great form this season anyway.

He may well be - I was convinced he came on as a rep on Sunday but he didn't so it's entirely likely that after watching so much sport at the weekend I was hallucinating
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Re: Backup Hooker for 6 Nations

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » January 18th, 2017, 12:45 pm

Maybe it was a red Herring?
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