Depends on who you listen to.offshorerules wrote:Wow, you would have thought he had a better strike rate.
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Mirror, Mirror on the Wall who's the greatest player of them all? It is Drico your majesty.
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Rightly, people had concerns over Zebo at test level. Joe did too.All Blacks nil wrote:Fair question though, has Joe ever picked Zebo in front of DK?wixfjord wrote:There's an awful lot of very poor quality trolling coming from you and your brethren lately AB0. Really unsubtle stuff.
The Ferg bit was a poor attempt. Don't think many Leinster supporters would have them in their MD23 or even in a second XV at this stage.
There was a time when people objected to any mention of Zebo in an international thread. I'm glad to see that has changed and people appreciate Zebo for what he can do.
As a national paper's slogan says
"before you make up your mind, open it"
Rightly, he's getting a lot of plaudits for his strong performances.
I'm sure people don't need a lecture from you on the fallacy of confirmation bias though.
As I said, speaking for myself, less trolling in international threads and more actual grown up discussion would be very welcome.
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Patienz!All Blacks nil wrote:Will Zebo stay in the panel now?
DK is back and Ferg can play every position in the backline,can also placekick and is obviously a better fit for the 23 jersey. Has Joe ever picked Zebo in front of Dave Kearney? A matter of time surely.
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suisse wrote:I'll admit I have not always been Earls' biggest fan, but in a game like that, you know he'll score. He's really good for a try. I know he's more than just a finisher, but being a reliable try scorer is a really good thing to be.Golf Man wrote:Its a bit of a weird one - Earls has barely scored for Munster this year - think he has the lowest number of tries of all 5 back 3 options. Zebo has scored way more than him lately for munster but seems to reverse itself for Ireland. He has 6 tries in 10 games for Munster - scoring in 6 seperate games with 4 in ECC and 1 v Leinster .Good scoring record v SH nations though.fourthirtythree wrote:Earls is a real finisher, Zebo is a better all round player these days.
Down a lot top teh style of play I think
I don't mean to demean or damn Earls with faint praise by saying he's a real finisher: I have always been a big fan of his. First of the threequarters on my team sheet very often. I just mean that he is a player, like say Shaggy, who, whenever it goes to the TMO to check grounding or foot in touch I'm already confident. They really work well at taking the scores. I don't mean that's their only quality.
Zebo's strike rate for Munster is absolutely outstanding, I think he's able to make more scores for himself from very little than Earls is these days. You don't get to do that at international level as much and not turning over the ball when you don't make it to the line, and not blowing any scoring opportunity you do get become crucial skills. And that's what I think the difference is. Just anecdotal mind, my impression.
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The answer is 'kind of'!!!All Blacks nil wrote: Fair question though, has Joe ever picked Zebo in front of DK?
August 2015 v Scotland: Zebo 15/BabyK 23
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Dammit! Breakfast pints with matches never ends well!cormac wrote:No, but his sole 6N try was earlier in that same match.neilinboston wrote:If he does it was that flick up kicky thing!offshorerules wrote:Did I hear correctly on the commentary the Zebo only has one try in the six nations? Extraordinary if so.
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Kearney possibly out for the rest of the tournament, needs surgery on bicep injury:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/s ... 49384.html
Looks like Zebo to 15 and Trimble into the team.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/s ... 49384.html
Looks like Zebo to 15 and Trimble into the team.
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I think Zebo has a bit more licence and freedom with Munster - he has kind of referred to it himself - certainly having him almost exclusively at 15 has served us very well this year - some of his finishing has been exceptional; this year - managing to get over in spots that you don't really expect him tofourthirtythree wrote:
I don't mean to demean or damn Earls with faint praise by saying he's a real finisher: I have always been a big fan of his. First of the threequarters on my team sheet very often. I just mean that he is a player, like say Shaggy, who, whenever it goes to the TMO to check grounding or foot in touch I'm already confident. They really work well at taking the scores. I don't mean that's their only quality.
Zebo's strike rate for Munster is absolutely outstanding, I think he's able to make more scores for himself from very little than Earls is these days. You don't get to do that at international level as much and not turning over the ball when you don't make it to the line, and not blowing any scoring opportunity you do get become crucial skills. And that's what I think the difference is. Just anecdotal mind, my impression.
Earls has always been a great finisher, and was always able to create through breaks and speed as much as anything else - I think the Schmidt effect is evident in Earls - he is probably more rounded and definitely better defensively, but he tends to focus on recycling the ball now rather than making the breaks for himself. He is as good as nailed on though - still our best winger imo - and Schmidt is obviously a fan - when fit he generally plays
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Sounds like a plan.wixfjord wrote:Kearney possibly out for the rest of the tournament, needs surgery on bicep injury:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/s ... 49384.html
Looks like Zebo to 15 and Trimble into the team.
We're starting to look a bit light for cover in the backs.
We need some of the younger players to come thru.
In the short term DK's return to fitness couldn't have come at a better time. He's probably only one injury away from a recall.
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Earls may not be as fast as he used to be, but he seems a more complete player now. He seems to be in the right place to score more often than not, mark of a good wingGolf Man wrote:I think Zebo has a bit more licence and freedom with Munster - he has kind of referred to it himself - certainly having him almost exclusively at 15 has served us very well this year - some of his finishing has been exceptional; this year - managing to get over in spots that you don't really expect him tofourthirtythree wrote:
I don't mean to demean or damn Earls with faint praise by saying he's a real finisher: I have always been a big fan of his. First of the threequarters on my team sheet very often. I just mean that he is a player, like say Shaggy, who, whenever it goes to the TMO to check grounding or foot in touch I'm already confident. They really work well at taking the scores. I don't mean that's their only quality.
Zebo's strike rate for Munster is absolutely outstanding, I think he's able to make more scores for himself from very little than Earls is these days. You don't get to do that at international level as much and not turning over the ball when you don't make it to the line, and not blowing any scoring opportunity you do get become crucial skills. And that's what I think the difference is. Just anecdotal mind, my impression.
Earls has always been a great finisher, and was always able to create through breaks and speed as much as anything else - I think the Schmidt effect is evident in Earls - he is probably more rounded and definitely better defensively, but he tends to focus on recycling the ball now rather than making the breaks for himself. He is as good as nailed on though - still our best winger imo - and Schmidt is obviously a fan - when fit he generally plays
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think Trimble was coming in anyway but left wing is Earls best position, 23 gets interesting now too
POM wont be playing for Munster this weekend so that probably rules him out of the Wales game too
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I don't mind the players individually but a back 3 ofsimonokeeffe wrote:think Trimble was coming in anyway but left wing is Earls best position, 23 gets interesting now too
POM wont be playing for Munster this weekend so that probably rules him out of the Wales game too
15 Zebo
14 Trimble
11 Earls
isn't very exciting. I don't know why. Just a feeling. And I am sure someone will produce a load of stats for tries, assists, meters, gainline breaks, tackles etc to show how prolific they are. But even in a really strong team (and we have a strong team), that looks the least inspiring area. To think of the wingers now retired or out of form; Hickie, Fitzgerald, Bowe, Horgan. I'd kill a small puppy to have one of those, from their peak, in the XV versus France.
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Is there a chance he'll start Gilroy ahead of Trimble after the former's hat-trick heroics?
11.Gilroy 15.Zebo 14.Earls
23.Trimble
Unlikely given Joe's conservatism but not impossible.
11.Gilroy 15.Zebo 14.Earls
23.Trimble
Unlikely given Joe's conservatism but not impossible.
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Think you're going to need a full back on the bench if you're starting with any 2 of those 3 wingers.neiliog93 wrote:Is there a chance he'll start Gilroy ahead of Trimble after the former's hat-trick heroics?
11.Gilroy 15.Zebo 14.Earls
23.Trimble
Unlikely given Joe's conservatism but not impossible.
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Yeah sure, why not.neiliog93 wrote:Is there a chance he'll start Gilroy ahead of Trimble after the former's hat-trick heroics?
11.Gilroy 15.Zebo 14.Earls
23.Trimble
Unlikely given Joe's conservatism but not impossible.
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Earls can play fullback, did it for the Lions in '09.
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After coating his hands in carbolic soap.neiliog93 wrote:Earls can play fullback, did it for the Lions in '09.
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That's true, but he has good for Munster at fullback at times.Oldschoolsocks wrote:After coating his hands in carbolic soap.neiliog93 wrote:Earls can play fullback, did it for the Lions in '09.
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Gilroy has played plenty at full back
The exciting selection is actually Zebo/TOH/Earls with Gilroy on the bench
Not a hope that will be what is selected though
Trimble will be in the 23 and almost certain to start
The exciting selection is actually Zebo/TOH/Earls with Gilroy on the bench
Not a hope that will be what is selected though
Trimble will be in the 23 and almost certain to start