I reckon he will leave Ringrose there - he referenced him personally, Henshaw is quoted about the task ahead for himself and Ringrose v Wales. I don't think he'drop Ringrose. And if Kearney is fit I don't think he'll drop him either. If Kearney is out he can either parachute Payne straight in at or on the bench though to cover 12/13/15fourthirtythree wrote:While Payne used to be the best full back in Ireland (IMHO) he is no longer even the best full back in Ulster...
That said, I'd personally pick him ahead of Rob Kearney, leaving Zebo on the wings with Earls. Unfortunately it is at least as likely that Schmidt will put him in place of Ringrose rather than Kearney. Because Ringrose has made to my mind more serious mistakes than Kearney. He may have more potential etc. but there is a 6N on.
But given that Payne only had 20 minutes at the weekend we don't know how close to up to speed he is/will be.
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Does he? Guess we will see on that. And name 1 big game he's proven his class at that level or more so why nobody outside Leinster sees him as top 3 winger for Leinster never mind Ireland.Dave Cahill wrote:MunsterSugar wrote:More 1 of worst strike rates in Europe for top winger and not a speedster.Dave Cahill wrote:"Guys like Dave'', an international winger with a couple of European trophies, a couple of Pro12s and a 6N championship in his arse pocket in his mid-20s - is that what you mean?
Just because you've a medal doesn't make you a great player. I'm not saying he is terrible but if you consider him an international class winger then I'd just disagreeand argue no more. And caps doesn't make you an international class winger. If so Earls is an international 13 etc
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As I said a winger is judged on tries and setting up play. Records show different to your suggestion and lets not forget when all wingers are available Schmidt doesn't always select Kearney
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I'm as concerned with what anybody outside Leinster thinks as Joe is with a wingers try scoring stats. Not one iota.MunsterSugar wrote: Does he? Guess we will see on that. And name 1 big game he's proven his class at that level or more so why nobody outside Leinster sees him as top 3 winger for Leinster never mind Ireland.
As I said a winger is judged on tries and setting up play. Records show different to your suggestion and lets not forget when all wingers are available Schmidt doesn't always select Kearney
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Well then I think you'll see Joe knows that's the reason he has no slam and is trying to expand game. I'd argue if you'd a winger who can outsprint a 2nd row he has a Slam. And why all his big wins came with pace on wings.Dave Cahill wrote:I'm as concerned with what anybody outside Leinster thinks as Joe is with a wingers try scoring stats. Not one iota.MunsterSugar wrote: Does he? Guess we will see on that. And name 1 big game he's proven his class at that level or more so why nobody outside Leinster sees him as top 3 winger for Leinster never mind Ireland.
As I said a winger is judged on tries and setting up play. Records show different to your suggestion and lets not forget when all wingers are available Schmidt doesn't always select Kearney
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And why Kearney is well down picking order.
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Yeah, Joe is wracked by his history of failure alright.
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Again nobody said Joe was failure. But facts are in his own words - he's failed at a RWC and it's obvious he wants a Grand Slam.Dave Cahill wrote:Yeah, Joe is wracked by his history of failure alright.
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I've seen Earls out sprinted by a 2nd row.Do you think he's too slow too?MunsterSugar wrote:Well then I think you'll see Joe knows that's the reason he has no slam and is trying to expand game. I'd argue if you'd a winger who can outsprint a 2nd row he has a Slam. And why all his big wins came with pace on wings.Dave Cahill wrote:I'm as concerned with what anybody outside Leinster thinks as Joe is with a wingers try scoring stats. Not one iota.MunsterSugar wrote: Does he? Guess we will see on that. And name 1 big game he's proven his class at that level or more so why nobody outside Leinster sees him as top 3 winger for Leinster never mind Ireland.
As I said a winger is judged on tries and setting up play. Records show different to your suggestion and lets not forget when all wingers are available Schmidt doesn't always select Kearney
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And why Kearney is well down picking order.
You may not give 1 iota but I do as many Irish fans do.
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No, no, no!Slowcentre wrote:I've seen Earls out sprinted by a 2nd row.Do you think he's too slow too?MunsterSugar wrote:Well then I think you'll see Joe knows that's the reason he has no slam and is trying to expand game. I'd argue if you'd a winger who can outsprint a 2nd row he has a Slam. And why all his big wins came with pace on wings.Dave Cahill wrote:
I'm as concerned with what anybody outside Leinster thinks as Joe is with a wingers try scoring stats. Not one iota.
And why Kearney is well down picking order.
You may not give 1 iota but I do as many Irish fans do.
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Please share when?Slowcentre wrote:I've seen Earls out sprinted by a 2nd row.Do you think he's too slow too?MunsterSugar wrote:Well then I think you'll see Joe knows that's the reason he has no slam and is trying to expand game. I'd argue if you'd a winger who can outsprint a 2nd row he has a Slam. And why all his big wins came with pace on wings.Dave Cahill wrote: I'm as concerned with what anybody outside Leinster thinks as Joe is with a wingers try scoring stats. Not one iota.
And why Kearney is well down picking order.
You may not give 1 iota but I do as many Irish fans do.
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Please share when. I've never seen so.at least would love to check it. Can't say I remember it in all my time watching him. But again happily will eat my words on viewingSlowcentre wrote:I've seen Earls out sprinted by a 2nd row.Do you think he's too slow too?MunsterSugar wrote:Well then I think you'll see Joe knows that's the reason he has no slam and is trying to expand game. I'd argue if you'd a winger who can outsprint a 2nd row he has a Slam. And why all his big wins came with pace on wings.Dave Cahill wrote: I'm as concerned with what anybody outside Leinster thinks as Joe is with a wingers try scoring stats. Not one iota.
And why Kearney is well down picking order.
You may not give 1 iota but I do as many Irish fans do.
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As I will say I only comment on what I see so haven't seen Earls but something like a 2nd row out sprinting a winger is rare so will eats my words on viewing.
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A tap talk doesn't constitute "out-sprinting" someone. And FYI he still had Brown and the cover defense to beat if he avoided the tap tackle. It was great play from Launchbury.MunsterSugar wrote:Well then I think you'll see Joe knows that's the reason he has no slam and is trying to expand game. I'd argue if you'd a winger who can outsprint a 2nd row he has a Slam. And why all his big wins came with pace on wings.
And why Kearney is well down picking order.
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IMO the handling errors from Sexton BOD and Healy were what cost us that game. Think Best missed 5 tackles that game too.
Ruddock's tackle stats consistently too low for me to be taken seriously as a Six Nations blindside..... Ruddock's defensive stats don't stack up. - All Blacks Nil, Jan 15th, 2014
England A 8 - 14 Ireland A, 25th Jan 2014
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Anthony Horgan vs New Zealand? IIRC the Kiwi commentator laughed.MunsterSugar wrote:As I will say I only comment on what I see so haven't seen Earls but something like a 2nd row out sprinting a winger is rare so will eats my words on viewing.
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And where did anyone say Horgan was top winger??paddyor wrote:Anthony Horgan vs New Zealand? IIRC the Kiwi commentator laughed.MunsterSugar wrote:As I will say I only comment on what I see so haven't seen Earls but something like a 2nd row out sprinting a winger is rare so will eats my words on viewing.
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So guess noone can give that exampleDave Cahill wrote:Could you switch off your Tapatalk signature if it's not too much trouble please? Profile > Settings > Signature will do it
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So in other words. No ye can't give example and will try put other errors up as case too. Ok cheers just thought ye could actually back up. Obviously notpaddyor wrote:A tap talk doesn't constitute "out-sprinting" someone. And FYI he still had Brown and the cover defense to beat if he avoided the tap tackle. It was great play from Launchbury.MunsterSugar wrote:Well then I think you'll see Joe knows that's the reason he has no slam and is trying to expand game. I'd argue if you'd a winger who can outsprint a 2nd row he has a Slam. And why all his big wins came with pace on wings.
And why Kearney is well down picking order.
You may not give 1 iota but I do as many Irish fans do.
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IMO the handling errors from Sexton BOD and Healy were what cost us that game. Think Best missed 5 tackles that game too.
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MunsterSugar wrote:So in other words. No ye can't give example and will try put other errors up as case too. Ok cheers just thought ye could actually back up. Obviously notpaddyor wrote:A tap talk doesn't constitute "out-sprinting" someone. And FYI he still had Brown and the cover defense to beat if he avoided the tap tackle. It was great play from Launchbury.MunsterSugar wrote:Well then I think you'll see Joe knows that's the reason he has no slam and is trying to expand game. I'd argue if you'd a winger who can outsprint a 2nd row he has a Slam. And why all his big wins came with pace on wings.
And why Kearney is well down picking order.
You may not give 1 iota but I do as many Irish fans do.
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IMO the handling errors from Sexton BOD and Healy were what cost us that game. Think Best missed 5 tackles that game too.
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You're the one with the duff example. Dave kearney wasn't outsprinted by a lock.
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So I will put it this way. I say I think had that try been scored we win a Slam. A genuine comment alot think. Also a genuine opportunity many think a fast winger would've scored.paddyor wrote:MunsterSugar wrote:So in other words. No ye can't give example and will try put other errors up as case too. Ok cheers just thought ye could actually back up. Obviously notpaddyor wrote: A tap talk doesn't constitute "out-sprinting" someone. And FYI he still had Brown and the cover defense to beat if he avoided the tap tackle. It was great play from Launchbury.
IMO the handling errors from Sexton BOD and Healy were what cost us that game. Think Best missed 5 tackles that game too.
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You're the one with the duff example. Dave kearney wasn't outsprinted by a lock.
Then the replies were
"Keith Earls was caught"
I asked when?
Replies were about Anthony Horgan, Others Faults and excuses. To a simple question.
And yes he was outsptinted the proof is there. Believe what you want. Pity you can't answer facts but just dish back insults.
And I've no doubt reply will be another sidestep.
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