Ireland v. England

[Raydollard]

Tough Day at the office ahead. Conway ahead of Carbery; Lineout without Toner

[MunsterSugar]

Tough Day at the office ahead. Conway ahead of Carbery; Lineout without Toner

Not sure Carbery is a winger or Conway a 10. Would be stupidity too surely to have Jackson and Carbery on same bench

[Ruckedtobits]

Not only will lineout suffer but so will our scrum, big time, with Dev absent. We have no specialist THL without Toner and the English pack could murder both our lineout and scrum, and possibly our maul.

The team that has been picked will have to play like Connacht and try to get the ball wide and keep it away from set-pieces. It won't be easy, but ot could be fast and exciting.

[simonokeeffe]

Not only will lineout suffer but so will our scrum, big time, with Dev absent. We have no specialist THL without Toner and the English pack could murder both our lineout and scrum, and possibly our maul.

The team that has been picked will have to play like Connacht and try to get the ball wide and keep it away from set-pieces. It won't be easy, but ot could be fast and exciting.

I'd worry more about our lineout, main thing albeit defeatist is throw it away from Itoje

Ryan has scrummed on the right plenty and not like Dev was a solid scrummager so we lose nothing there IMO

[Golf Man]

Not only will lineout suffer but so will our scrum, big time, with Dev absent. We have no specialist THL without Toner and the English pack could murder both our lineout and scrum, and possibly our maul.

The team that has been picked will have to play like Connacht and try to get the ball wide and keep it away from set-pieces. It won't be easy, but ot could be fast and exciting.

Toners impact on the scrum is nowhere near as big as that - we may be slightly less well off but if we are mullered in the scrum it will be because their front row got on top of ours not because toner wasn't there. If furlong and mcgrath scrum as they been then the scrum will be well down the list of concerns

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[Oldschoolsocks]

Not only will lineout suffer but so will our scrum, big time, with Dev absent. We have no specialist THL without Toner and the English pack could murder both our lineout and scrum, and possibly our maul.

The team that has been picked will have to play like Connacht and try to get the ball wide and keep it away from set-pieces. It won't be easy, but ot could be fast and exciting.

Toners impact on the scrum is nowhere near as big as that - we may be slightly less well off but if we are mullered in the scrum it will be because their front row got on top of ours not because toner wasn't there. If furlong and mcgrath scrum as they been then the scrum will be well down the list of concerns

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Nope, you're wrong there. If the scrum suffers it's most likely the RHS that is dominated. The importance of a good right sided second row to complement a strong tight head is often misunderstood. Best recent example I can recall is our scrum making shite of the SA 8 in the second test last summer.

[Oldschool]

C'mon Ireland.

[munster#1]

Not the team that I would pick, but great to see Joe finally drop a player who is not performing.

Delighted for Henderson, he has been a long time up and coming player, and great that he gets selected ahead of a perceived first choice player.
The suggestions that Ryan is not a tight head lock are crazy. He has played a lot of rugby there, and power is not something that Ryan is lacking.

I feel for toner, as this surely eliminates his slim chances of a lion's tour.

Great to see Conway get recognized for his great form. Hopefully he gets a meaningful run to show his talents. I suspect Payne will move to 13 and Conway to 15 at some stage in the game.

[Ruckedtobits]

Definitely the most surprising selection since JS became Coach. Fear for the consequences.

[Peg Leg]

Definitely the most surprising selection since JS became Coach. Fear for the consequences.

I see Dev being dropped as a symptom the coaching loosing faith in the set piece into which he feeds most.
As you've said earlier, expect to see some of the connacht gameplan. A pity Dillane is not available.

[paddyor]

Definitely the most surprising selection since JS became Coach. Fear for the consequences.

I see Dev being dropped as a symptom the coaching loosing faith in the set piece into which he feeds most.
As you've said earlier, expect to see some of the connacht gameplan. A pity Dillane is not available.

Never thought of it thought of it that way, but given the non selection of POM it makes some sense.

If Marmion isnt given some license to break hes a bang average SH.

[munster#1]

Toner has definitely under performed, both in the line-out, and in the loose.
Imo, his line-out ability is something that gets talked about a lot, but we rarely see him being a dominant line-out jumper.

We rarely see him steal opposition ball, which is what a man of his size should be used to do. Granted it could be argued that Ireland don't often compete on opposition ball, but if he was as good as the talk, then you'd imagine that we would attack most opposition throw ins.

I think we may regret not having pom as an additional jumper, especially when you see England's options.
England are likely to play it to the corners and try expose our weakness.

I am still hopeful that the hurt and home advantage can get us over the line. I also hope that marmion is given more freedom than Murray, and we see Henshaw and Ringrose brought on to good clean ball, rather than playing kick chase all day.

[MunsterSugar]

Stuart Olding called in to squad it's reported. Not sure if to cover a lad

[simonokeeffe]

Definitely the most surprising selection since JS became Coach. Fear for the consequences.

I see Dev being dropped as a symptom the coaching loosing faith in the set piece into which he feeds most.
As you've said earlier, expect to see some of the connacht gameplan. A pity Dillane is not available.

Bigtime

If Dev isnt delivering in the set piece then his value massively decreases. Hes got good hands, work rate, fitness, tackle count but (at this level) hes not good at carrying, slowing ball, defensive lineout; hes an awkward fit/awkward to partner up

[Laighin Break]

I know they're playing different positions, but really looking forward to seeing a Itoje - Hendy battle (assuming they're both used as similar attacking weapons).

[Oldschool]

Definitely the most surprising selection since JS became Coach. Fear for the consequences.

I see Dev being dropped as a symptom the coaching loosing faith in the set piece into which he feeds most.
As you've said earlier, expect to see some of the connacht gameplan. A pity Dillane is not available.

Ryan is a strong scrummager.
I think we could see Toner coming on early enough as I think Henderson could be told to empty the tank.
Henderson starting gives us options.
The real problem is our BR and bench.
There's none of them can cover SR emergency, something most other teams have.

[Oldschool]

Definitely the most surprising selection since JS became Coach. Fear for the consequences.

I see Dev being dropped as a symptom the coaching loosing faith in the set piece into which he feeds most.
As you've said earlier, expect to see some of the connacht gameplan. A pity Dillane is not available.

Never thought of it thought of it that way, but given the non selection of POM it makes some sense.

If Marmion isnt given some license to break hes a bang average SH.

Really hope Narmion makes a few breajs especially early on just to put a bit of doubt in the tight defence.

[Oldschoolsocks]

I know they're playing different positions, but really looking forward to seeing a Itoje - Hendy battle (assuming they're both used as similar attacking weapons).

I'm hoping Henderson will prove me wrong and show he has the lungs to push and run.
I've been disappointed with him lately but more than happy to have my mind changed.

[Oldschool]

Definitely the most surprising selection since JS became Coach. Fear for the consequences.

I see Dev being dropped as a symptom the coaching loosing faith in the set piece into which he feeds most.
As you've said earlier, expect to see some of the connacht gameplan. A pity Dillane is not available.

Bigtime

If Dev isnt delivering in the set piece then his value massively decreases. Hes got good hands, work rate, fitness, tackle count but (at this level) hes not good at carrying, slowing ball, defensive lineout; hes an awkward fit/awkward to partner up

If Dillane had been fit both he and Henderson could have benched throughout the 6Ns.
That's not aimed at POM as other choices might have been made in the BR as a result.

[limecat]

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