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Dundalk 1 wrote:On Zebo I have never heard such shite spouted by his various supporters
He scored 9 tries for Ireland in 35 games
He scored the grand total of 1 try in 6 nations or World Cup
His only other try of note was walking over the All Black line in Chicago
He is a good player but not fantastic and certainly not irreplaceable
The really sad part about today was the dropping of Tommy Bowe
Clearly the right decision given his age and form but he scored 30 tries for Ireland and in his time was irreplaceable
One of our best wingers
Up there with Shaggy and Hickie
LeRouxIsPHat wrote:Anything's possible, but that's an odd thing to jump to given the news this week.
LeRouxIsPHat wrote:Which of course ignores the fact that he's played loads over the last couple of years and we've since lost Luke Fitz to retirement, Payne is injured, Trimble and Bowe are past it, we've a guy in the squad who was dropped by Leinster last weekend...it's nuts Dave. I could get on board with you saying that he's not a favourite of Joe's and maybe even that he actively wants to replace him...but that still doesn't mean that he'd be dropped entirely from a squad with so many back three players.
LeRouxIsPHat wrote:Which of course ignores the fact that he's played loads over the last couple of years and we've since lost Luke Fitz to retirement, Payne is injured, Trimble and Bowe are past it, we've a guy in the squad who was dropped by Leinster last weekend...it's nuts Dave. I could get on board with you saying that he's not a favourite of Joe's and maybe even that he actively wants to replace him...but that still doesn't mean that he'd be dropped entirely from a squad with so many back three players.
LeRouxIsPHat wrote:I could understand dropping Zebo if we were closer to the WC, but it's not like we win the 6N every year and if having him in our squad gives us a better chance of that then I'd keep him in. I think it's unfair given that Sexton was allowed to keep playing too. I won't mind it as much when Zebo actually leaves, but the guy is still in the country.
Dave Cahill wrote:LeRouxIsPHat wrote:Which of course ignores the fact that he's played loads over the last couple of years and we've since lost Luke Fitz to retirement, Payne is injured, Trimble and Bowe are past it, we've a guy in the squad who was dropped by Leinster last weekend...it's nuts Dave. I could get on board with you saying that he's not a favourite of Joe's and maybe even that he actively wants to replace him...but that still doesn't mean that he'd be dropped entirely from a squad with so many back three players.
You've just explained why he's played loads. Trimble, Kearneys, Bowe, Luke and Earls have all suffered through injury and the passing of time which has left Joe with no option. Now he has an option, so he has been dropped. Its like the game against Scotland two years go writ large. As soon as there were any other option, that option has been taken.
simonokeeffe wrote:LeRouxIsPHat wrote:I could understand dropping Zebo if we were closer to the WC, but it's not like we win the 6N every year and if having him in our squad gives us a better chance of that then I'd keep him in. I think it's unfair given that Sexton was allowed to keep playing too. I won't mind it as much when Zebo actually leaves, but the guy is still in the country.
dropping him now is a possible win win
he doesnt play well and we wasted RWC development time on him instead of Stockdale or Carberry
he does play well and it increases pressure/hassle on Schmidt/Nucifora to make an exception for him, maybe isn't the best for the dressing room
LeRouxIsPHat wrote:I think it's unfair given that Sexton was allowed to keep playing too.
LeRouxIsPHat wrote:Dave Cahill wrote:LeRouxIsPHat wrote:Which of course ignores the fact that he's played loads over the last couple of years and we've since lost Luke Fitz to retirement, Payne is injured, Trimble and Bowe are past it, we've a guy in the squad who was dropped by Leinster last weekend...it's nuts Dave. I could get on board with you saying that he's not a favourite of Joe's and maybe even that he actively wants to replace him...but that still doesn't mean that he'd be dropped entirely from a squad with so many back three players.
You've just explained why he's played loads. Trimble, Kearneys, Bowe, Luke and Earls have all suffered through injury and the passing of time which has left Joe with no option. Now he has an option, so he has been dropped. Its like the game against Scotland two years go writ large. As soon as there were any other option, that option has been taken.
Fitzgerald was fit before that Scotland game and not picked while Zebo was...please stop wumming with this nonsense.
fourthirtythree wrote:LeRouxIsPHat wrote:I think it's unfair given that Sexton was allowed to keep playing too.
I don't see how that is relevant to anything. Sexton claims the "rule" wasn't in place then but they have been told it is now. Secondly that was the past. Thirdly would it then be "fair" if everyone was injured and Zebo was needed and he got recalled? Who cares? We'd need him and I would really hope he was recalled.
We had only one outhalf capable of playing to international standard at the time. The IRFU made a booboo by not admitting to themselves that the team was built around him for the next few years and instead refusing to negotiate. I think Zebo is great, he's in fantastic form, I'd pick him as full back ahead of O'Halloran, Carberry, Kearney etc. right now, but fair isn't in it. We might "want" him, but don't "need" him.
Nothing's fair in love and war (and sport).
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