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Re: Ireland 6 Nations 2018

Postby simonokeeffe » January 18th, 2018, 2:45 pm

FLIP wrote:With no SOB available, we can't afford a passenger in the back row. POM shouldn't even make the match day squad unless he improves his stats and discipline. Stander to 6 (where he's played his better rugby for Ireland), JVDF to 7, Conan at 8, Jordi/Leavy on the bench.


Reckon Conan has done enough in the big European games? If I was dropping POM I would straight swap Murphy, linout does then suffer though
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Re: Ireland 6 Nations 2018

Postby Ruckedtobits » January 18th, 2018, 3:01 pm

We will analyse precisely who France are likely to select, particularly up front. Going to Stade de France Ireland will want to quell the crowd effect - both in noise and reactions to influence referee. Getting and retaing possession is a key skill in this regard and PO'M is perhaps our best option for stealing line-out possession.

Equally, JS could select Henshaw & Farrell, rather than Aki & Henshaw as the former pair may be judged more capable of retaining possession than the former Connachtpai
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Re: Ireland 6 Nations 2018

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » January 18th, 2018, 3:05 pm

Speaking of Henshaw, been really impressed with his handling lately. I'm hoping he keeps that up for Ireland, could really add a new dimension to our attack and catch the opposition on the hop.
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Re: Ireland 6 Nations 2018

Postby Flash Gordon » January 18th, 2018, 6:52 pm

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Ruckedtobits wrote:Overall, there's nobody there that I believe is lucky. There are one or two omitted that I think are unlucky. But that will probably be a competitive and hard-working Camp with great anticipation towards France and hoping that they will get back to Aviva against Italy with positive momentum.


I'm not sure I agree with that. I'd count Herring, Carberry & Roux as lucky personally.

Herring has been poor for Ulster while Rory Best was missing over Christmas. He's lucky Munster have bounced their Hooker selections about so much, and that Scannell is counted as injured even though he'll certainly be fit in time for France.

I think Quinn Roux has gone missing in some big games, especially the one against us, where he was anonymous in comparison to Dillane. He's lucky that Schmidt has either ruled out Beirne for still being abroad or else feels his all action offloading isn't for him.

Carberry has no business being in there ahead of Ross Byrne. It's ludicrous to think he could play out half for Ireland while Byrne plays for us. It would make far more sense for the reverse to be true. Let Carberry get some gametime with us with Byrne backing up Sexton.


I don't think Byrne is currently anywhere near international outhalf standard. Even at European level he can plug a gap but is well behind Sexton. His kicking out of hand and place kicking have improved significantly recently from a fairly low base if I'm honest. In terms of his abilities going forward, Carbery is on a completely different level in my opinion. Byrne may yet become an international outhalf but he's not anything like that at the moment in my opinion.
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Re: Ireland 6 Nations 2018

Postby CiaranIrl » January 18th, 2018, 9:01 pm

Flash Gordon wrote:I don't think Byrne is currently anywhere near international outhalf standard. Even at European level he can plug a gap but is well behind Sexton. His kicking out of hand and place kicking have improved significantly recently from a fairly low base if I'm honest. In terms of his abilities going forward, Carbery is on a completely different level in my opinion. Byrne may yet become an international outhalf but he's not anything like that at the moment in my opinion.


I have no idea what that opinion is based on. He hasn't played out half since last season, barring the Fiji game. He was dreadful at out half in the summe. He might be good, he might not be. It's ridiculous to think he could play there in the 6 nations.
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Re: Ireland 6 Nations 2018

Postby Oldschool » January 18th, 2018, 9:25 pm

CiaranIrl wrote:
Flash Gordon wrote:I don't think Byrne is currently anywhere near international outhalf standard. Even at European level he can plug a gap but is well behind Sexton. His kicking out of hand and place kicking have improved significantly recently from a fairly low base if I'm honest. In terms of his abilities going forward, Carbery is on a completely different level in my opinion. Byrne may yet become an international outhalf but he's not anything like that at the moment in my opinion.


I have no idea what that opinion is based on. He hasn't played out half since last season, barring the Fiji game. He was dreadful at out half in the summe. He might be good, he might not be. It's ridiculous to think he could play there in the 6 nations.

Keatley is Sexton's backup and it's likely Carberry is regarded as being more valuable to the squad than Byrne.
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Re: Ireland 6 Nations 2018

Postby CiaranIrl » January 18th, 2018, 11:00 pm

Oldschool wrote:
CiaranIrl wrote:
Flash Gordon wrote:I don't think Byrne is currently anywhere near international outhalf standard. Even at European level he can plug a gap but is well behind Sexton. His kicking out of hand and place kicking have improved significantly recently from a fairly low base if I'm honest. In terms of his abilities going forward, Carbery is on a completely different level in my opinion. Byrne may yet become an international outhalf but he's not anything like that at the moment in my opinion.


I have no idea what that opinion is based on. He hasn't played out half since last season, barring the Fiji game. He was dreadful at out half in the summe. He might be good, he might not be. It's ridiculous to think he could play there in the 6 nations.

Keatley is Sexton's backup and it's likely Carberry is regarded as being more valuable to the squad than Byrne.


Even if we assume Carberry doesn't get the 22 jersey, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that one of the two primary 10s could pick up an injury. Like everyone else, I know he's an incredible talent, but he shouldn't be there as an out half until he starts playing there and playing the specific position well.
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Re: Ireland 6 Nations 2018

Postby Ruckedtobits » January 18th, 2018, 11:42 pm

Flash Gordon wrote:
CiaranIrl wrote:
Ruckedtobits wrote:Overall, there's nobody there that I believe is lucky. There are one or two omitted that I think are unlucky. But that will probably be a competitive and hard-working Camp with great anticipation towards France and hoping that they will get back to Aviva against Italy with positive momentum.


I'm not sure I agree with that. I'd count Herring, Carberry & Roux as lucky personally.

Herring has been poor for Ulster while Rory Best was missing over Christmas. He's lucky Munster have bounced their Hooker selections about so much, and that Scannell is counted as injured even though he'll certainly be fit in time for France.

I think Quinn Roux has gone missing in some big games, especially the one against us, where he was anonymous in comparison to Dillane. He's lucky that Schmidt has either ruled out Beirne for still being abroad or else feels his all action offloading isn't for him.

Carberry has no business being in there ahead of Ross Byrne. It's ludicrous to think he could play out half for Ireland while Byrne plays for us. It would make far more sense for the reverse to be true. Let Carberry get some gametime with us with Byrne backing up Sexton.


I don't think Byrne is currently anywhere near international outhalf standard. Even at European level he can plug a gap but is well behind Sexton. His kicking out of hand and place kicking have improved significantly recently from a fairly low base if I'm honest. In terms of his abilities going forward, Carbery is on a completely different level in my opinion. Byrne may yet become an international outhalf but he's not anything like that at the moment in my opinion.


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Re: Ireland 6 Nations 2018

Postby FLIP » January 19th, 2018, 10:08 am

simonokeeffe wrote:
FLIP wrote:With no SOB available, we can't afford a passenger in the back row. POM shouldn't even make the match day squad unless he improves his stats and discipline. Stander to 6 (where he's played his better rugby for Ireland), JVDF to 7, Conan at 8, Jordi/Leavy on the bench.


Reckon Conan has done enough in the big European games? If I was dropping POM I would straight swap Murphy, linout does then suffer though


Absolutely. He's been the form Irish 8 in Europe.
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Re: Ireland 6 Nations 2018

Postby simonokeeffe » January 19th, 2018, 12:04 pm

FLIP wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:
FLIP wrote:With no SOB available, we can't afford a passenger in the back row. POM shouldn't even make the match day squad unless he improves his stats and discipline. Stander to 6 (where he's played his better rugby for Ireland), JVDF to 7, Conan at 8, Jordi/Leavy on the bench.


Reckon Conan has done enough in the big European games? If I was dropping POM I would straight swap Murphy, linout does then suffer though


Absolutely. He's been the form Irish 8 in Europe.


He has joint highest tackle success rate with Beirne which surprised me. Would like some more dominant carries myself
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Re: Ireland 6 Nations 2018

Postby suisse » January 20th, 2018, 4:17 am

I find some of the language used about Joey Carbery to be over the top and extremely unfair, not just in this thread but across the site. The summer tour came at the end of his first season as a professional. 12 months prior, I'd wager most rugby fans had either never heard of him or never seen him play. He lit up games for Leinster and Ireland in a way we're not used to seeing, especially from 10. He made mistakes. He was always going to make mistakes. He's young and still learning and developing. Any young player at that level is going to do the same. But Schmidt feels he offers so much when he's clicking and on form. The ceiling is infinitely higher than Ross Byrne. Leinster are extremely lucky to have 3 10s in Sexton, Carbery and Byrne. Byrne might make fewer mistakes because of the game he plays but Carbery is a potential superstar. He's worth backing now.

I'd hate to imagine the level of criticism Larmour will get when he hits an inevitable low point in form.
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Re: Ireland 6 Nations 2018

Postby suisse » January 20th, 2018, 4:21 am

There's no chance of POM not starting. But that could be a mistake. As everyone here has alluded to, we going to miss an enormous amount of ball carrying with O'Brien gone. Pom will offer his usual 8 metersmins in 11 carries but he's there because he might steal some line out ball, his leadership and his grappling and wrestling at the breakdown. If France work out how to stopmove Stander like Leinster have, we're in big trouble.
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Re: Ireland 6 Nations 2018

Postby CiaranIrl » January 21st, 2018, 9:00 pm

Stockdale went off injured today. Could open up the door for Larmour or McFadden, though I guess Earls & Conway might be the selection.
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Re: Ireland 6 Nations 2018

Postby paddyor » January 21st, 2018, 9:46 pm

CiaranIrl wrote:Stockdale went off injured today. Could open up the door for Larmour or McFadden, though I guess Earls & Conway might be the selection.
Just a dead leg apparently. But Conway hasn't done his chances these past few weeks.
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Re: Ireland 6 Nations 2018

Postby blockhead » January 22nd, 2018, 2:47 pm

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Re: Ireland 6 Nations 2018

Postby blockhead » January 22nd, 2018, 4:15 pm

Morgan Parra will miss the Ireland game with a knee injury.
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Re: Ireland 6 Nations 2018

Postby Ruckedtobits » January 22nd, 2018, 4:53 pm

This may be heresy but the more I have watched Tadgh Beirne play, the more convinced I am that he is the player to replace PO'M at No 6 for Ireland. IMO, he won't displace Toner, Henderson or Ryan in the row, but he is the most athletic carrier, as good a line-out jumper, the best, two-shouldered tackler, the most astute passer and, above all, he wins turnovers for fun. Beirne will be in our Australia Tour Party in June. Get him into Squad now and we could win the 6N as well.
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Re: Ireland 6 Nations 2018

Postby simonokeeffe » January 22nd, 2018, 5:02 pm

Beirne would miss this weeks training with Ireland so that alone prohibits a call up. His best position at international level is an interesting one though, problem there is when would he get a xhance to play 6 for Munster unless he does a Darcy on it?

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Re: Ireland 6 Nations 2018

Postby blockhead » January 24th, 2018, 2:48 pm

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“Yeah, he is in consideration like anyone else who’s currently playing in Ireland,” said Schmidt at the Six Nations launch in London. “I answered a question earlier about the balance we’ve got in our back three and we felt that Jordan was probably playing at a level that was appropriate to select him.

“I think Simon is great value to have in the squad and he’s got an irresistible charm about him, he’s always smiling and his positivity is great. But by his own standards, he didn’t have a great day in Paris [against Racing 92] a couple of weeks ago.

“There was some wayward passing, some turnovers that he’d look back at and be frustrated with himself. It’s crucial at the time of selection that we know guys are in good form

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Re: Ireland 6 Nations 2018

Postby simonokeeffe » January 24th, 2018, 2:53 pm

blockhead wrote:Joe, Today.
“Yeah, he is in consideration like anyone else who’s currently playing in Ireland,” said Schmidt at the Six Nations launch in London. “I answered a question earlier about the balance we’ve got in our back three and we felt that Jordan was probably playing at a level that was appropriate to select him.

“I think Simon is great value to have in the squad and he’s got an irresistible charm about him, he’s always smiling and his positivity is great. But by his own standards, he didn’t have a great day in Paris [against Racing 92] a couple of weeks ago.

“There was some wayward passing, some turnovers that he’d look back at and be frustrated with himself. It’s crucial at the time of selection that we know guys are in good form

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