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Greatest Irish rugby team ever

Postby ronk » March 18th, 2018, 12:07 am

I think given the fixture list, quality of opposition and standard of performance attained that this is now the best ever Irish team.
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Re: Greatest Irish rugby team ever

Postby Sionnach » March 18th, 2018, 2:33 am

ronk wrote:I think given the fixture list, quality of opposition and standard of performance attained that this is now the best ever Irish team.

Hard to argue against.
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Re: Greatest Irish rugby team ever

Postby paddyor » March 18th, 2018, 3:00 am

ronk wrote:I think given the fixture list, quality of opposition and standard of performance attained that this is now the best ever Irish team.

I think defo the best tight 5 and halves.
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Re: Greatest Irish rugby team ever

Postby FLIP » March 18th, 2018, 9:08 am

Certainly the greatest coach, and greatest captain, as well as the greatest team given those criteria.
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Re: Greatest Irish rugby team ever

Postby Ruckedtobits » March 18th, 2018, 9:11 am

Don't let go down this Cul de Sac. Impossible assessment. Different times, different opponents etc. Statistically, we had the most comprehensive series of victories of our three Grand Slams. That's as far as it is possible to say.
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Re: Greatest Irish rugby team ever

Postby blockhead » March 18th, 2018, 9:30 am

Best Irish team since 2009.
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Re: Greatest Irish rugby team ever

Postby CiaranIrl » March 18th, 2018, 9:56 am

Better front row and half backs than 09. Back three about even. Second row is debatable.

If Joe Schmidt coached us in the 2000s, we would have 3 or 4 grand slams. He's the biggest difference.
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Re: Greatest Irish rugby team ever

Postby simonokeeffe » March 18th, 2018, 10:29 am

We were very lucky with injuries in 2009

We probably had harder Scottish and English teams this time too
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Re: Greatest Irish rugby team ever

Postby Oldschool » March 18th, 2018, 12:33 pm

Wouldn't like to demean the achievements of either this GS winning team or the 2009 one.
The point about the coach is well made but even so DK still managed to win a GS with players whose best years were behind them.
EOS should have and didn't.
You need a bit of luck along the way too.
We were unlucky to lose two 13 but very lucky that our best 13 returned from injury at precisely the right time.
EOS was unlucky, that loss to France in Croker in particular.
Anyway a GS is a GS and something for any player winning one to treasure.
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Re: Greatest Irish rugby team ever

Postby RoboProp » March 18th, 2018, 12:51 pm

When you think about EOS and the players he had, and what they actually won (nothing); and then you see him on the box criticising Joe...yeah.
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Re: Greatest Irish rugby team ever

Postby simonokeeffe » March 18th, 2018, 1:43 pm

RoboProp wrote:When you think about EOS and the players he had, and what they actually won (nothing); and then you see him on the box criticising Joe...yeah.


Yup
One that sticks in my head, is the game we lost in Cardiff in 05, gameplan seemed to be pass it straight to BOD and nobody else every time. Was obvious AF and Welsh defence just mobbed him all day

Wasnt like Hickie or Murphy werent dangerous options

To be more upbeat, we easily have 15 players who have or very well may have 100 caps

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Re: Greatest Irish rugby team ever

Postby berniemac67 » March 18th, 2018, 3:01 pm

CiaranIrl wrote:He's the biggest difference.


Agreed there.
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Re: Greatest Irish rugby team ever

Postby Dave Cahill » March 18th, 2018, 9:34 pm

RoboProp wrote:When you think about EOS and the players he had, and what they actually won (nothing); and then you see him on the box criticising Joe...yeah.


They won the triple crown three times - now I realise that the revisionist view is that this isn't worth anything, but it involved beating the then current world champions three times in four years, it was something that Ireland hadn't done for 18 years and at the time was considered a massive leap forward for Irish rugby along with us being ranked as high as third in the world

On top of this we began to beat southern hemisphere opposition, we hadn't beaten Australia since the 60s in Dublin and the 70s at all until we won in 2002 , we hadn't beaten South Africa in Dublin since the 60s until 2004.

Theres a view out there that Irish rugby started in 2009 (or 2006 depending which side of the mason dixon line you're from) and that everything from before that is of little or no value and has no relevance to today. Thats simply not true. Joe Schmidt is the best coach Ireland has ever had. This Grand Slam is the greatest achievement in the history of the Irish national team. But these things don't happen in isolation.
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Re: Greatest Irish rugby team ever

Postby RoboProp » March 18th, 2018, 10:13 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:
RoboProp wrote:When you think about EOS and the players he had, and what they actually won (nothing); and then you see him on the box criticising Joe...yeah.


They won the triple crown three times - now I realise that the revisionist view is that this isn't worth anything, but it involved beating the then current world champions three times in four years, it was something that Ireland hadn't done for 18 years and at the time was considered a massive leap forward for Irish rugby along with us being ranked as high as third in the world

On top of this we began to beat southern hemisphere opposition, we hadn't beaten Australia since the 60s in Dublin and the 70s at all until we won in 2002 , we hadn't beaten South Africa in Dublin since the 60s until 2004.

Theres a view out there that Irish rugby started in 2009 (or 2006 depending which side of the mason dixon line you're from) and that everything from before that is of little or no value and has no relevance to today. Thats simply not true. Joe Schmidt is the best coach Ireland has ever had. This Grand Slam is the greatest achievement in the history of the Irish national team. But these things don't happen in isolation.


Nothing revisionist from me regardingTriple Crowns, I simply don't rate them if they don't come with the Championship in the bag.

My first 5N was in 85, which was great. I've been there for good times and bad times, and will be there when the bad times happen again. I enjoyed Eddie's first triple crown but after that, it was way too little for the talent he had. Eddie squandered the golden generation to second place. Close, but as they saying goes, close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Am I being a bit harsh on EOS? Probably, but we probably could have come second with those players with Oldschool as backs coach, me as defensive coach and you as head coach :wink:
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Re: Greatest Irish rugby team ever

Postby Peg Leg » March 18th, 2018, 10:53 pm

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Re: Greatest Irish rugby team ever

Postby RoboProp » March 18th, 2018, 11:12 pm

Peg Leg wrote:Leinster


We lacked the forward steel, but then one day an Aussie appeared with powers of hawk, wolf, puma and bear
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Re: Greatest Irish rugby team ever

Postby Peg Leg » March 18th, 2018, 11:17 pm

RoboProp wrote:
Peg Leg wrote:Leinster


We lacked the forward steel, but then one day an Aussie appeared with powers of hawk, wolf, puma and bear
Protector of peace, mystic man from afar. He championed our pack Michael Cheika!
Let's not forget his robot steed
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Re: Greatest Irish rugby team ever

Postby Oldschool » March 18th, 2018, 11:17 pm

RoboProp wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote:
RoboProp wrote:When you think about EOS and the players he had, and what they actually won (nothing); and then you see him on the box criticising Joe...yeah.


They won the triple crown three times - now I realise that the revisionist view is that this isn't worth anything, but it involved beating the then current world champions three times in four years, it was something that Ireland hadn't done for 18 years and at the time was considered a massive leap forward for Irish rugby along with us being ranked as high as third in the world

On top of this we began to beat southern hemisphere opposition, we hadn't beaten Australia since the 60s in Dublin and the 70s at all until we won in 2002 , we hadn't beaten South Africa in Dublin since the 60s until 2004.

Theres a view out there that Irish rugby started in 2009 (or 2006 depending which side of the mason dixon line you're from) and that everything from before that is of little or no value and has no relevance to today. Thats simply not true. Joe Schmidt is the best coach Ireland has ever had. This Grand Slam is the greatest achievement in the history of the Irish national team. But these things don't happen in isolation.


Nothing revisionist from me regardingTriple Crowns, I simply don't rate them if they don't come with the Championship in the bag.

My first 5N was in 85, which was great. I've been there for good times and bad times, and will be there when the bad times happen again. I enjoyed Eddie's first triple crown but after that, it was way too little for the talent he had. Eddie squandered the golden generation to second place. Close, but as they saying goes, close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Am I being a bit harsh on EOS? Probably, but we probably could have come second with those players with Oldschool as backs coach, me as defensive coach and you as head coach :wink:

Reckon you and me would do fine without a head cosch.
We could share the forwards coaching duties.
You could look after the scrum and maul defence.
I always ran a good lineout and if you're talking rucks then no better man for sharpening studs.
However I think a Triple Crown deserves to be acknowledged as an achievement in it's own right.
TCs are not won that frequently to be dismissed and certainly not by Ireland.
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Re: Greatest Irish rugby team ever

Postby RoboProp » March 19th, 2018, 12:50 am

Peg Leg wrote:
RoboProp wrote:
Peg Leg wrote:Leinster


We lacked the forward steel, but then one day an Aussie appeared with powers of hawk, wolf, puma and bear
Protector of peace, mystic man from afar. He championed our pack Michael Cheika!
Let's not forget his robot steed


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Re: Greatest Irish rugby team ever

Postby Ruckedtobits » March 19th, 2018, 9:09 am

RoboProp wrote:
Peg Leg wrote:
Peg Leg wrote:Leinster


We lacked the forward steel, but then one day an Aussie appeared with powers of hawk, wolf, puma and bear
Protector of peace, mystic man from afar. He championed our pack Michael Cheika!

Knoxy Knoxy!


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