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Only 6 NIE players left in Irish pro rugby next season

Postby johng » May 29th, 2018, 3:57 pm

Only 6 who will never be able to qualify for Ireland
Cotzee and Deysel in Ulster.
Botha and Taute in Munster.
Fardy in Leinster.
Godwin in Connacht.

6 more NIQ players remaining in the system under the 3 year rule
3 who will qualify next year
Gibson-Park (Leinster)
Klein and Marshall (Munster)
and 3 the year after
Lowe (Leinster) Cloete (Munster) and Butler (Connacht)

There are also 2 new signings in Connacht who missed the boat and won't qualify until 2023 (If we are all still alive and they are still here)

Leinster and Ulster may also sign one more each.

This is possibly an all time low in the last 10 years?

Players who have left in the last 2 years
Van der Merwe 2016
Kirchner 2017
Saili 2017
Chisholm 2017
Triggs 2017
Pienaar 2017
Nacewa 2018
Piutau 2018
Grobler 2018
Dawai 2018
Boshoff 2018
Ili 2018
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Re: Only 6 NIE players left in Irish pro rugby next season

Postby ronk » May 29th, 2018, 7:52 pm

I don't expect us to be allowed sign one and i dont expect that Ulster wont pick up at least 1.

There's an unwritten rule that new coaches temporarily get a little latitude on that front.
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Re: Only 6 NIE players left in Irish pro rugby next season

Postby paddyor » May 29th, 2018, 7:54 pm

ronk wrote:I don't expect us to be allowed sign one and i dont expect that Ulster wont pick up at least 1.

There's an unwritten rule that new coaches temporarily get a little latitude on that front.

Apparently Tomane is waiting on a work permit.
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Re: Only 6 NIE players left in Irish pro rugby next season

Postby johng » May 29th, 2018, 8:29 pm

Looks like we are up to 7 nie ok
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Re: Only 6 NIE players left in Irish pro rugby next season

Postby ronk » May 29th, 2018, 9:05 pm

Fardy and Tomane would be the pick of the NIE's.
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Re: Only 6 NIE players left in Irish pro rugby next season

Postby johng » May 29th, 2018, 9:07 pm

A fit Cotzee would beg to differ
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Re: Only 6 NIE players left in Irish pro rugby next season

Postby dropkick » June 2nd, 2018, 7:20 pm

The country is producing more players of a required standard than it needs. Those figures will continue to drop because of that. First you see the average age of a squad go down thanks to the academy mainly and when that happens theres no need for foreign players except those with a bit of an x factor, who bring something extra like Fardy, Lowe etc.


With Leinster having such a young squad, more players will have to move away from now on because theres less available places there now than there were previously. Its up to Munster and Ulster to produce more players. Connacht don't have the population to be self sustaining.
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Re: Only 6 NIE players left in Irish pro rugby next season

Postby ronk » June 2nd, 2018, 7:50 pm

The number only dropped because of NIEs.

The gaps will always be there because players aren’t interchangeable and they develop at different rates.
Development only happens with need and needs change quickly.

Munster just signed 4 guys into their starting 15 (maybe Botha is a sub). Just because one 1 is capped for a different country doesn’t mean much.
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Re: Only 6 NIE players left in Irish pro rugby next season

Postby ronk » June 12th, 2018, 2:42 pm

Officially 7
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Re: Only 6 NIE players left in Irish pro rugby next season

Postby Fireworks » June 13th, 2018, 9:47 am

dropkick wrote:The country is producing more players of a required standard than it needs. Those figures will continue to drop because of that. First you see the average age of a squad go down thanks to the academy mainly and when that happens theres no need for foreign players except those with a bit of an x factor, who bring something extra like Fardy, Lowe etc.


With Leinster having such a young squad, more players will have to move away from now on because theres less available places there now than there were previously. Its up to Munster and Ulster to produce more players. Connacht don't have the population to be self sustaining.


We are going to start exporting more talent which is a risk because it starts to normalise the process of playing abroad. I think we need more teams under the IRFU control even if these are based in other countries. This could provide us an outlet for these guys but keep them n the system.

Good to see the drop in numbers but we will always need a few to fill holes where there are early retirements and uneven development of guys in specific positions.
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