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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby wixfjord » July 6th, 2019, 7:36 pm

Define 'make it' though? Conway for eg has at least made it into a green jersey fairly regularly.

Brendan Macken would be one for example who was majorly tipped and never really did anything.
Darren Hudson was another that looked excellent at that level.

Actually that 2010 U20 crop, along with delivering some big players, had some amount of untapped potential.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby mildlyinterested » July 6th, 2019, 7:45 pm

Macken was never actually that good for the 20s.

Conway, Hanrahan & Luke Marshall looked like future irish stars at 20s level and failed to reach that level.

Same with Jordan Coghlan and Conor Gilsenan.

Adam McBurney has failed to push on as hoped up north, still young though. Peter Dooley looked like a future irish international at 20s level, yet to see that form from him.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby cormac » July 6th, 2019, 8:27 pm

sunshiner1 wrote:As it's the quite season here's a question for you guys. Which Under 20 Ireland player did you think was going to be a superstar but didn't make it for some reason? Be it injury/lack of form etc?


Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby neiliog93 » July 6th, 2019, 10:31 pm

There are a few guys who looked excellent at u-20 level who I thought would make the grade at the highest level but haven't for various reasons:

Backs: Stephen Fitzgerald, Rory Scholes, Sam Coghlan-Murray, Brendan Macken, Eoin O'Malley

Forwards: David Pollock, Adam Boland, Jack O'Connell, Paul Ryan
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby leinsterforever » July 7th, 2019, 1:16 am

Stephen Kerins, Stewart Maguire, Tom Daly, Luke Marshall, JJ Hanrahan
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby wixfjord » July 7th, 2019, 10:28 am

mildlyinterested wrote:Macken was never actually that good for the 20s.

Conway, Hanrahan & Luke Marshall looked like future irish stars at 20s level and failed to reach that level.

Same with Jordan Coghlan and Conor Gilsenan.


Adam McBurney has failed to push on as hoped up north, still young though. Peter Dooley looked like a future irish international at 20s level, yet to see that form from him.


There is very little comparison between that group of players!
Marshall and Conway have both gone on to win 10+ Irish caps.

JJ has done feck all and the other two have been exiled to England.

This is what I'm saying, I don't think you could call the career of guys like Conway and Marshall a failure to 'make it'.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby Dave Cahill » July 7th, 2019, 10:32 am

I wish I could have failed in my career as badly as Conway
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby sunshiner1 » July 7th, 2019, 11:47 am

For me definitely Stewart Maguire. The guy was a beast at U20's level I remember thinking when he was playing I'm looking at the future Irish no. 3 here but he never kicked on for whatever reason. Leinster, Connacht and the Dragons all take a punt on him but couldn't get him to the next level.

Darren Hudson was another, thought he would have being a first teamer for Leinster anyway with a couple of caps to his name. Paddy Butler was another in that same group who I thought would have had more of a career.

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Conor Gilsenan.


Gilsenan is a weird one. Moved to Connacht on loan and was offered a contract with them which he turned down to go abroad. Never really kicked on after. Could be out of sight out of mind but I think if he'd stayed in Ireland with any of the provinces he would have kept rising.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » July 7th, 2019, 4:19 pm

leinsterforever wrote:Stephen Kerins, Stewart Maguire, Tom Daly, Luke Marshall, JJ Hanrahan


I was a big fan of Kerins too, I know he wasn't the biggest but I thought he had everything. He's just signed a pro contract with Connacht though so hopefully he still has a chance, think he had a lot of injuries.

Have to say I have a very different recollection of Maguire. IIRC there was a buzz about him because of his size and because we were so desperate for THs at the time, don't think I ever saw him play well.

Slight tangent but coincidentally I looked him up recently. The Australian scrumhalf Josh Holmes is one of the best young players I've ever seen. He was a star at the 2007 JWC, had been the IRB U19 player of the year the year before that, moved to the Brumbies to replace George Gregan in 2008, and was working in a factory by 2013. He got back into pro rugby briefly to cover injuries at the Rebels, and made the Australian 7s squad a few years back but don't think he's involved anymore.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby ronk » July 7th, 2019, 6:09 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:I wish I could have failed in my career as badly as Conway


At the time the expectations were higher. He was on pace for Stockdale like status. He’s more Dave Kearney than Rob Kearney. Not actually a failure but could have been more.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby dropkick » July 8th, 2019, 8:28 am

Cian Kelleher would be one that springs to mind. Hanrahan also.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby sunshiner1 » July 8th, 2019, 11:06 am

Genuinely surprised no one has mentioned Eoin O'Malley.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby hugonaut » July 8th, 2019, 1:33 pm

As Ronk and Cormac said above, Conway and Hanrahan would be the standout ones for me. They were outstanding U20s, really first class. They came in with a lot of hype to the U20s and were able to deliver at the top level of the age-grade.

I thought Conway was going to be like an Irish version of Rory Underwood - not as intuitive or inventive as Shane Williams, but a lightning fast finisher with good rugby basics who could carve it up from deep if he got the ball in open space. Underwood played 91 tests for England and the Lions over 13 seasons and scored 51 international tries, so it was a really high bar, but I thought that Conway had that level of potential.

From watching them at U20s level, I thought Hanrahan was a better player than Jackson in every regard. Kicked with more invention, got his backline moving better, was a bigger threat as a runner, a better place-kicker, a stronger tackler and a more charismatic leader.

Billy Dardis would have to be another one. He was such a good player as a schoolboy and had such a good attitude that he looked like he couldn't miss – into the academy straight out of school etc. Just lost confidence and lost his way a bit ... conflicting advice from coaches, overthinking his rate of progress and unfortunate timing of injuries all played their part. He has given a couple of interviews about it, and he's very tough on himself – tougher than he needs to be, in my opinion.

I don't think any of those three players deserve derision or to be held up as examples of wasted talent – they're all good players. I think it shows that you need to have a coach to really champion you in selection meetings, and you need to be lucky with regards to getting opportunities and staying clear of injuries.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby dropkick » July 17th, 2019, 8:03 pm

In the U20 trophy Portugal beat Tonga 40-3. They'll play Japan for a chance to win promotion to next year's championship.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby Morf » July 18th, 2019, 1:31 am

dropkick wrote:In the U20 trophy Portugal beat Tonga 40-3. They'll play Japan for a chance to win promotion to next year's championship.


Their under 20s league team would've hockeyed Portugal though.
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Re: Ireland u20 2018-2019

Postby dropkick » July 18th, 2019, 9:37 am

Morf wrote:
dropkick wrote:In the U20 trophy Portugal beat Tonga 40-3. They'll play Japan for a chance to win promotion to next year's championship.


Their under 20s league team would've hockeyed Portugal though.



Then its a pity they play a different sport... like most countries.
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