Ireland u20 2020

[ormond lad]

Celtic Cup and Interpros are light years ahead of AIL because players are competing against their professional peers. AIL is like Community Service, useful, but achieves nothing and takes somebody out of regular involvement in Club side.

interpros are not and would not be light years ahead of AIL. AIL is nothing like you suggest and you are being extremaly unfair to the league and dismissive of the high standard of the league.

RTB has coached [and managed] at Div 1 level of the AIL.

The AIL is one of the shibboleths of Irish rugby – you can't say anything bad about it. Well, some of the games are good and some of the games are sh*t, just like any other competition.

Ah interesting.
I still wouldnt be as dismissive of the league. Celtic Cup/interpros only go so far especially some of the interpro games that were on this season
Wouldnt put them as light years ahead.

[mildlyinterested]

U20's in AIL/A action over the weekend:

Prop
Harry Noonan(Old Wesley) - started at 1. (u19)
Thomas Clarkson(DUFC) - bench, 1 try. (u19)

Hooker
John McKee(Belvedere) - started at 2. (u19)
Declan Adamson(Clontarf) - started at 2, 1 try.
Richie Bergin(UCD) - bench
Travis Coomey(UCC) - bench
Claytan Milligan(Ballynahinch) - bench

Lock
Charlie Ryan(UCD) - started at 4
JJ McKee(Ballymena) - started at 4
Ryan Baird(DUFC) - bench for Leinster A

Backrow
Scott Penny(UCD) - started at 7 for Leinster A.
Ronan Watters(St. Marys) - started at 7, 1 try.
Ryan O'Neill(Armagh) - started at 7. (u19)
David McCann(Banbridge) - started at 7. (u19)
Luke Clohessy(Shannon) - started at 8.

Scrumhalf
Cormac Foley(St. Marys) - started at 9
Colm Reilly(Buccaneers)- started at 9
Niall Armstrong(Banbridge) - started at 9
Colin Sisk(UCC) - bench
Graham Curtis(Malone) - bench

Outhalf
Harry Byrne(Lansdowne) - bench for Leinster A.
David Hawkshaw(Clontarf) - bench for Leinster A.
Ben Healy(Garryowen) - started at 10
Jake Flannery(Shannon) - started at 10

Centre
Evan O'Gorman(Young Munster) - started at 12
Conor Kelly(Clontarf) - started at 12

Back Three
Sam Dardis(Terenure) - started at 14. (u19)
Conor Phillips(Young Munster) - started at 14.
Conor Hayes(Young Munster) - started at 15.
Rob Russell(DUFC) - started at 15, 1 try.
Liam Turner(DUFC) - bench.

[mildlyinterested]

Ulster players at recent Ireland u20 camp:

David McCann(Backrow/Banbridge)
Graham Curtis(Scrumhalf/Malone)
Bruce Houston(Outhalf/Ballymena)
Stewart Moore(Centre/Malone)
Iwan Hughes(Back Three/Ballynahinch)

Munster players at recent Ireland u20 camp

Billy Scannell(Hooker/Young Munster)
John Hodnett(Hooker-Backrow/UCC)
Paddy Kelly(Lock/Young Munster) - u19
Luke Clohessy(Backrow/Shannon)
Jake Flannery(Outhalf/Shannon)
James McCarthy(Back Three/UL Bohs)

Connacht players at recent Ireland u20 camp:

Ryan Lomas(Prop/Galwegians)
Liam Winnett(Prop/Buccanneers) - u19
Dylan Tierney(Hooker/Cortinthians)
Cian Huxford(Backrow/Cortinthians)
Colm Reilly(Scrumhalf/Cortinthians)
Hugh Lane(Back Three/Galwegians)

Leinster players at recent Ireland u20 camp:

Charlie Ward(Prop/Clontarf) - u19
Michael Milne(Prop/UCD)
Thomas Clarkson(Prop/DUFC) - u19
Giuseppe Coyne(Prop/DUFC)
Declan Adamson(Hooker/Clontarf)
John McKee(Hooker/Old Belvedere) - u19
Charlie Ryan(Lock/UCD)
Martin Moloney(Backrow/Old Belvedere)
Ronan Watters(Backrow/St. Marys)
Cormac Foley(Scrumhalf/St. Marys)
Conor Kelly(Outhalf/Clontarf)
David Hawkshaw(Outhalf/Clontarf)
David Ryan(Centre/UCD)
Aaron O'Sullivan(Wing/UCD)
Liam Turner(Wing/DUFC)
Rob Russell(Fullback/DUFC)

[mildlyinterested]

notable absentee's from camp:

Josh Wycherley(LH Prop/Munster)
Luke Masters(TH Prop/Munster)
Claytan Milligan(Hooker/Ulster)
Ryan Baird(Lock/Leinster)
Niall Murray(Lock/Connacht)
Scott Penny(Openside/Leinster)
Azur Allison(Backrow/Ulster)
Craig Casey(Scrumhalf/Munster)
Harry Byrne(Outhalf/Leinster)
Ben Healy(Outhalf/Munster)
Evan O'Gorman(Center/Munster)
Sean French(Centre/Munster)
Angus Kernohan(Wing/Ulster)
Conor Hayes(Back Three/Munster)
Conor Phillips(Back Three/Munster)
Jonathan Wren(Back Three/Munster)

[mildlyinterested]

U20's in action over the weekend:

Prop
Guiseppe Coyne(Blackrock/DUFC) - started at 1 for DUFC, 1 try.
Thomas Clarkson(Blackrock/DUFC) - bench for DUFC, 1 try.
Harry Noonan(Greystones RFC/Old Wesley) - started at 1 for Old Wesley.(u19)
Darragh Fitzgerald(Rugbaí Corca Dhuibhne RFC/UCC) - bench for UCC.(u19)

Hooker
Bobby Sheehan(Clongowes/UCD) - started at 2 for UCD.(u19)
Paidi McCarthy(Bantry Bay RFC/UCC) - started at 2 for UCC.(u19)
Declan Adamson(Clontarf RFC/Clontarf) - bench for Clontarf.
John McKee(Campbell/Old Belvedere) - bench for Old Belvedere.(u19)
Travis Coomey(Bandon Grammar/UCC) - bench for UCC.
Sean Molony(Blackrock/UCD) - bench for UCD.
Billy Scannell(PBC/Young Munster) - bench for Young Munster.

Lock
Charlie Ryan(Blackrock/UCD) - started at 5 for UCD.
Ryan Baird(St. Michaels/DUFC) - bench for DUFC
Bran Deeney(Wexford RFC/Clontarf) - bench for Clontarf.
Fintan Coleman(Crescent/Young Munster) - bench for Young Munster.

Backrow
Luke Clohessy(Ardscoil Ris/Shannon) - started at 4 for Shannon.
Martin Moloney(Athy RFC/Old Belvedere) - started at 6 for Old Belvedere.
Scott Penny(St. Michaels/UCD) - started at 7 for Leinster, 1 try.
Ronan Watters(St. Marys/St. Marys) - started at 7 for St. Marys.
John Hodnett(Clonakilty RFC/UCC) - started at 7 for UCC.
David McCann(RBAI/Banbridge) - started at 7 for Banbridge.(u19)
Rueben Pim(Kilkenny/DUFC) - bench for DUFC.

Scrumhalf
Colm Reilly(Buccaneers) - started at 9.
Niall Armstrong(RBAI/Banbridge) - started at 9 for Banbridge.
Craig Casey(Ardscoil Ris/Shannon) - bench for Shannon, 1 try.
Colin Sisk(CBC/UCC) - bench for UCC.
Shane Murphy(Skerries RFC/UCD) - bench for UCD.(u19)
Graham Curtis(Exile/Malone) - bench for Malone.

Outhalf
David Hawkshaw(Belvedere/Clontarf) - started at 10 for Clontarf, 1 try, 2 con, 1 pen.
Ben Healy(Glenstal/Garryowen) - started at 10 for Garryowen, 2 cons, 6 pens.

Centre
Evan O'Gorman(Young Munster RFC/Young Munster) - started at 12, 1 try.
Stewart Moore(Ballymena/Malone) - started at 13.

Back Three
Angus Kernohan(Ballymena/Ballymena) - bench for Ulster.
Ronan Quinn(Glenstal/DUFC) - started at 11.(u19)
Hugo Conway(St. Marys/St. Marys) - started at 11 for St. Marys, 1 try.
Ikem Ugwueru(Ennis RFC/Shannon) - started at 14, 1 try.
Ben McCaughey(Friend's School/Malone) - started at 14, 1 try.(u19)
Jake Flannery(Rockwell/Shannon) - started at 15 for Shannon, 1 try.
Liam Turner(Blackrock/DUFC) - started at 15 for DUFC, 1 try.
Conor Phillips(Crescent/Young Munster) - bench for Young Munster, 1 try.

[dropkick]

http://www.rugby.com.au/news/2018/12/08 ... u19s-match

Full U19 match Vs Australia. Australia won 17 - 5.

Strange match. Ireland with all the possession but Australia were much more clinical. It was a closer match than the scoreline suggests


It was ruined by windy conditions and that suited Australia (imo) who were the bigger side.


There were some good individual performances from Ireland. The front row were very good. Scrums and lineouts were excellent overall except when the sub tighthead Winnett came on.


Kelly in the second row had a good game and Deely was lively when he came on apart from one or two handling errors.


Openside, Booth, was excellent and won numerous penalties at the breakdown. Big No 8, McCann was also very good. Best Ulster back row prospect I've seen in a while.


None of the backs stood out but it was a hard day to be a back.


It was a bad tempered match with both teams screeching in each others' faces when the other side made a mistake.

[mildlyinterested]

halfbacks were poor.

[mildlyinterested]

Loosehead - strong depth
Hooker - strong depth
Tighthead - weak depth
Lock - good depth
Backrow - good depth
Scrumhalf - good depth
Outhalf - strong depth
Centre - weak depth
Back Three - good depth

[mildlyinterested]

fixtures over christmas for 20s
v Leinster Development on 21/12 in Donnybrook
v Munster Development in Musgrave

[Ruckedtobits]

Has Liam Turner any experience at centre?

[mildlyinterested]

Has Liam Turner any experience at centre?

played 13 mostly until this season

[eoinerton]

fixtures over christmas for 20s
v Leinster Development on 21/12 in Donnybrook
v Munster Development in Musgrave

Munster game confirmed for 1pm 29/12.

Any idea on the time for tomorrow's game?

[Ruckedtobits]

Reasonably competitive game this afternoon at Donnybrook with the Irish U.20 Squad beating a Leinster Development Squad convincingly on the scoreboard, but less so in the contest.

Overall, the impression was that Ireland has a decent collection of underage footballers with very competent skills but, not necessarily a lot of shape on their game as yet. A few of the players have already established good reputations and a few more enhanced their selection chances for the 6N and JWC2019.

Never like to single guys out at this age level on the basis of one viewing, but looking forward to seeing how they develop as a group. @mildlyinterested has a very good handle on the various players in this group and has analysed many of the contenders previouly in this thread and the Leinster Academy thread.

The IRFU Match Report of the game is here:

http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/43174.php#.XB0fg-ynyUA

Watching with a couple of other old heads, we weren't particularly impressed by the patterns or structures of either group. The Ireland Squad looked physically stronger, but the Leinster scrum was well superior.The Irish backline had buckets of pace but were a bit clueless how to use it.

The basic handling and tackling skills were awesome as were the levels of fitness. Really good passing by all half-backs, but not enough control or shape on the game by either side.

BTW, Leinster included a couple of Ulster and Exile players, at the request of the Irish selectors. However, no sign of Baird or Penney on either team and these two guys would be expected to automatic first choices.

Fogra: One player who created a very favourable impression in his 12 minute cameo was Leinster U.19 second-row Cian Prendergast. Good build, excellent handling and carrying skills and knew how to use his athletic frame to complete the Leinster scoring

[mildlyinterested]

Reasonably competitive game this afternoon at Donnybrook with the Irish U.20 Squad beating a Leinster Development Squad convincingly on the scoreboard, but less so in the contest.

Overall, the impression was that Ireland has a decent collection of underage footballers with very competent skills but, not necessarily a lot of shape on their game as yet. A few of the players have already established good reputations and a few more enhanced their selection chances for the 6N and JWC2019.

Never like to single guys out at this age level on the basis of one viewing, but looking forward to seeing how they develop as a group. @mildlyinterested has a very good handle on the various players in this group and has analysed many of the contenders previouly in this thread and the Leinster Academy thread.

The IRFU Match Report of the game is here:

http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/43174.php#.XB0fg-ynyUA

Watching with a couple of other old heads, we weren't particularly impressed by the patterns or structures of either group. The Ireland Squad looked physically stronger, but the Leinster scrum was well superior.The Irish backline had buckets of pace but were a bit clueless how to use it.

The basic handling and tackling skills were awesome as were the levels of fitness. Really good passing by all half-backs, but not enough control or shape on the game by either side.

BTW, Leinster included a couple of Ulster and Exile players, at the request of the Irish selectors. However, no sign of Baird or Penney on either team and these two guys would be expected to automatic first choices.

Fogra: One player who created a very favourable impression in his 12 minute cameo was Leinster U.19 second-row Cian Prendergast. Good build, excellent handling and carrying skills and knew how to use his athletic frame to complete the Leinster scoring

Interesting to hear on the Leinster scrum.

I believe Baird is injured, has been struggling with his health all season, which isn't uncommon at that age when he hasn't stopped filling out. Hopefully he get on top of it for the 6 nations.

[mildlyinterested]

Ireland u20

1. Michael Milne(Roscrea/UCD)
2. Dylan Tierney(Corinthians)
3. Ryan Lomas(Roscrea/Galwegians)
4. Bradley Luney(BRA/Ballynahinch)
5. Charlie Ryan(Blackrock/UCD)
6. Niall Murray(Buccaneers)
7. Martin Moloney(Athy/Old Belvedere)
8. John Hodnett(Clonakilty/UCC)
9. Craig Casey(Ard Scoil Ris/Shannon)
10. Harry Byrne(St. Michaels/Lansdowne)
11. James McCarthy(Exile/UL Bohs)
12. Stewart Moore(Ballymena/Malone)
13. Sean French(PBC/Cork Con)
14. Angus Kernohan(Ballymena/Ballymena)
15. Jake Flannery(Rockwell/Shannon)
16. Billy Scannell(PBC/Young Munster)
17. Josh Wycherley(Roscrea/Young Munster)
18. Thomas Clarkson(Blackrock/DUFC) - u19
19. JJ McKee(Antrim GS/Ballymena)
20. Cian Huxford(Corinthians)
21. Colm Reilly(Ballinrobe/Buccaneers)
22. David Hawkshaw(Belvedere/Clontarf)
23. Iwan Hughes(Exile/Ballyanhinch)
24. Conor Phillips(Crescent/Young Munster)
25. Jonathan Wren(PBC/Cork Con)

Leinster Development
1. Guiseppe Coyne(Blackrock/DUFC)
2. John McKee(Campbell/Old Belvedere) - u19
3. Charlie Ward(Tullow/Clontarf) - u19
4. Grellan Murray(Belvedere/Clontarf)
5. Brian Deeny(Wexford/Clontarf) - u19
6. Ruadhan Byron(Belvedere/Clontarf)
7. Ronan Watters(St. Marys/St. Marys)
8. David McCann(RBAI/Banbridge)
9. Graham Curtis(Exile/Malone)
10. Conor Kelly(Roscrea/Clontarf)
11. Liam Turner(Blackrock/DUFC)
12. David Ryan(St. Michaels/UCD)
13. Ollie Morris(Exile)
14. Adam LaGrue(Terenure/Terenure)
15. Rob Russell(St. Michaels/DUFC)
16. Declan Adamson(Clontarf)
17. Harry Noonan(Greystones/Old Wesley) - u19
18. Mick McCormack(St. Marys/St. Marys) - u22
19. Cian Prendergast(Newbridge/UCD) - u19
20. Adam Fleming(CUS/Clontarf) - u19
21. Louis O'Reilly(Blackrock/DUFC)
22. Stephen Madigan(Blackrock/Lansdowne)
23. Luis Faria(Wanderers/DUFC) - u19
24. Hugo Conway(St. Marys/St. Marys)

[mildlyinterested]

Full-time: Munster A 20-24 Ireland U20s

[Ruckedtobits]

Have Ireland U.20's any more warm-up games - either official or Training run-outs?

[mildlyinterested]

Have Ireland U.20's any more warm-up games - either official or Training run-outs?

so far I havent heard of anything.

[TrapperChamonix]

MI I hear the U20 6 nations squad has been named. Have you any sight of it? Or am I being told BS?

[mildlyinterested]

MI I hear the U20 6 nations squad has been named. Have you any sight of it? Or am I being told BS?

I expect it has been named, announced next week or week after.

I know extended squad, don't know what will be named officially:

LH Prop
Michael Milne(Leinster)
Giuseppe Coyne(Leinster)
Josh Wycherley(Munster)

TH Prop
Tom Clarkson(Leinster) - u19
Ryan Lomas(Connacht)

Hooker
Dylan Tierney(Connacht)
Billy Scannell(Munster)
John McKee(Leinster) - u19
Declan Adamson(Leinster)

Lock
Charlie Ryan(Leinster)
Ryan Baird(Leinster)
JJ McKee(Ulster)
Brian Deeny(Leinster) - u19
Paddy Kelly(Munster) - u19

Backrow
Niall Murray(Connacht)
Azur Allison(Ulster)
Luke Clohessy(Munster)
John Hodnett(Munster)
Cian Huxford(Connacht)
David McCann(Ulster) - u19
Martin Moloney(Leinster)
Ronan Watters(Leinster)
Neal Moylett(Connacht)

Scrumhalf
Colm Reilly(Connacht)
Craig Casey(Munster)
Cormac Foley(Leinster)
Graham Curtis(Ulster)

Outhalf
Harry Byrne(Leinster)
Ben Healy(Munster)

Centre
Sean French(Munster)
Stewart Moore(Ulster)
David Hawkshaw(Leinster)
David Ryan(Leinster)

Back Three
Jonathan Wren(Munster)
Liam Turner(Leinster)
Robert Russell(Leinster)
Aaron O'Sullivan(Leinster)
James McCarthy(Munster)
Hugh Lane(Connacht)
Iwan Hughes(Ulster)
Conor Hayes(Munster)
Jake Flannery(Munster)