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Re: Ireland v. France Sun 10 March 15.00

Postby allezlesverres » March 5th, 2019, 5:54 pm

On the underpowered front, it'll never happen, but I'd love to see Beirne start at 6. O'Mahony has been good (despite him being struck by some of the same error rate and malaise that is affecting the whole team) but a more powerful 6 could radically change our game


I think the problem with that is the lineout. With Toner out you need a safe lineout option (and someone to get up and put pressure on opposition lineouts) and the only guy we have have who is really good at that is O'Mahony. So much of Ireland's game plan is based off clean line out ball so we can't really do without POM, notwithstanding his mediocre carrying game.

It gets lots of size into the team, lots of big men to go toe-to-toe with the French and not lose the f*cking collisions for the first time this tournament.


This, for me, has been Ireland's biggest problem. We aren't winning nearly enough of our collisions. I wonder if this is due in part to other teams analyzing Ireland's play well. So much of Ireland's phase play has been based on strong forward collisions getting over the gainline until a pre-set strike move is called. Opposition teams seem to have figured out that if they double up the tacklers on the (usually) obvious ball carrier, they can rob Ireland of the gain line success they need to initiate the strike moves effectively. The solution from Ireland's perspective has to involve overcoming those double tackles which will either involve powerful pods to carry, or shifting the play away from where the defence have set up their double tackles.
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Re: Ireland v. France Sun 10 March 15.00

Postby wixfjord » March 5th, 2019, 6:33 pm

Cronin set to miss out on squad for last two games:
https://www.the42.ie/sean-cronin-irelan ... nt-7888710
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Re: Ireland v. France Sun 10 March 15.00

Postby backrower8 » March 5th, 2019, 6:52 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:
sunshiner1 wrote:Hopefully we can show Murray the bench and tell him to sit there.


You think that in what is effectively Irelands RWC preseason its a good idea for the coach to bench his badly in need of gametime starting scrumhalf?


Yep. Bench him anytime after 60 mins because he is not yet physically up to scratch to do 80 and we have players worthy and able to do 20 minutes or less.
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Re: Ireland v. France Sun 10 March 15.00

Postby hugonaut » March 5th, 2019, 7:13 pm

wixfjord wrote:Cronin set to miss out on squad for last two games:
https://www.the42.ie/sean-cronin-irelan ... nt-7888710


Gives him a better chance of equalling [or bettering] Contepomi's single season try record for Leinster [15 tries, 2005-06].
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Re: Ireland v. France Sun 10 March 15.00

Postby CiaranIrl » March 5th, 2019, 9:06 pm

hugonaut wrote:
wixfjord wrote:Cronin set to miss out on squad for last two games:
https://www.the42.ie/sean-cronin-irelan ... nt-7888710


Gives him a better chance of equalling [or bettering] Contepomi's single season try record for Leinster [15 tries, 2005-06].


It's harsh. The lineout was no better when Scannell came on. The unfortunate truth is that Cronin's carry on on the Australian trip meant that the coaching team just wanted an excuse to cut him. There's a good chance he's lost his world cup place completely now.
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Re: Ireland v. France Sun 10 March 15.00

Postby CiaranIrl » March 5th, 2019, 10:07 pm

CiaranIrl wrote:From what the press is saying, I'd guess something like: Healy, Best, Furlong, Henderson, Ryan, O'Mahony, VDF, Stander, Murray, Sexton, Stockdale, Aki, Ringrose, Earls, Kearney
Bench: Scannell, Kilcoyne, Porter, Beirne, Leavy, Carty, Cooney, Larmour


Apparently Herring the on the bench, and Leavy is still injured.
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Re: Ireland v. France Sun 10 March 15.00

Postby Dave Cahill » March 5th, 2019, 10:12 pm

CiaranIrl wrote:It's harsh. The lineout was no better when Scannell came on. The unfortunate truth is that Cronin's carry on on the Australian trip meant that the coaching team just wanted an excuse to cut him. There's a good chance he's lost his world cup place completely now.


Is it as harsh as perpetuating lies about a player who plays for a team you supposedly support?
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Re: Ireland v. France Sun 10 March 15.00

Postby wixfjord » March 5th, 2019, 10:19 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:
CiaranIrl wrote:It's harsh. The lineout was no better when Scannell came on. The unfortunate truth is that Cronin's carry on on the Australian trip meant that the coaching team just wanted an excuse to cut him. There's a good chance he's lost his world cup place completely now.


Is it as harsh as perpetuating lies about a player who plays for a team you supposedly support?


Not according to Brendan Fanning:

Then he fell foul of management at tour's end in a breach of discipline that saw the hooker reprimanded subsequently by his employers.


https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/ ... 72137.html
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Re: Ireland v. France Sun 10 March 15.00

Postby Dave Cahill » March 5th, 2019, 10:25 pm

wixfjord wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote:
CiaranIrl wrote:It's harsh. The lineout was no better when Scannell came on. The unfortunate truth is that Cronin's carry on on the Australian trip meant that the coaching team just wanted an excuse to cut him. There's a good chance he's lost his world cup place completely now.


Is it as harsh as perpetuating lies about a player who plays for a team you supposedly support?


Not according to Brendan Fanning:

Then he fell foul of management at tour's end in a breach of discipline that saw the hooker reprimanded subsequently by his employers.


https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/ ... 72137.html


He's had six caps, playing in every international except for the game against the USA since - the Irish management must be very slow to react. Or, its all a load of mebollix. Wouldn't be the first time that Fanning has repeated a rumour from a web forum as fact.
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Re: Ireland v. France Sun 10 March 15.00

Postby paddyor » March 6th, 2019, 1:42 am

Dave Cahill wrote:
CiaranIrl wrote:It's harsh. The lineout was no better when Scannell came on. The unfortunate truth is that Cronin's carry on on the Australian trip meant that the coaching team just wanted an excuse to cut him. There's a good chance he's lost his world cup place completely now.


Is it as harsh as perpetuating lies about a player who plays for a team you supposedly support?

It's been confirmed to me via someone who works as part of one of the provinces back rooms.
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Re: Ireland v. France Sun 10 March 15.00

Postby sunshiner1 » March 6th, 2019, 2:27 am

Cronin played badly and got dropped it happens. The only person who knows why is Joe.
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Re: Ireland v. France Sun 10 March 15.00

Postby wixfjord » March 6th, 2019, 11:44 am

I'm not saying it's the reason he's been dropped, but it did happen. I have also had it confirmed from someone involved in the setup.
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Re: Ireland v. France Sun 10 March 15.00

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » March 6th, 2019, 12:03 pm

I'd say it might be a statement by Joe, could see it jolting the other players out of their collective stupor. We needed a catalyst and his performance and the disciplinary issue makes him a viable scapegoat. He's not THAT important to the team (although personally I think he should be in terms of his impact off the bench) but he's very experienced and I suspect his exclusion will have sent shockwaves through the squad.

Had he put in the same performance in the Italy game last year when everything else was going well then I don't think he'd have been dropped straight away. Of all the guys who are under-performing I can see how he would be the best option to single out.
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Re: Ireland v. France Sun 10 March 15.00

Postby Dave Cahill » March 6th, 2019, 12:12 pm

wixfjord wrote:I'm not saying it's the reason he's been dropped, but it did happen. I have also had it confirmed from someone involved in the setup.


And I had the opposite confirmed to be from a similar source - which leaves us precisely nowhere I guess.

Either way, he's been dropped and I'm not sure I disagree with it in some ways - under pressure he can miss key throws for Ireland and Leinster. In other ways his impact in play will be missed.
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Re: Ireland v. France Sun 10 March 15.00

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » March 6th, 2019, 12:18 pm

Something did happen. There was a lot of nonsense around what it meant for Cronin, but there was definitely an incident. I haven't had it confirmed that it was the alleged punch, just know something happened.
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Re: Ireland v. France Sun 10 March 15.00

Postby CiaranIrl » March 6th, 2019, 12:29 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:
CiaranIrl wrote:It's harsh. The lineout was no better when Scannell came on. The unfortunate truth is that Cronin's carry on on the Australian trip meant that the coaching team just wanted an excuse to cut him. There's a good chance he's lost his world cup place completely now.


Is it as harsh as perpetuating lies about a player who plays for a team you supposedly support?


"You supposedly support" - spare me.

He did act the maggot Dave. Believe what you want.
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Re: Ireland v. France Sun 10 March 15.00

Postby Twist » March 6th, 2019, 12:46 pm

Is the addition of Ross Byrne, while retainjng Carty, a sign that they arent sure about Carbery’s fitness?


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Re: Ireland v. France Sun 10 March 15.00

Postby Aird » March 7th, 2019, 5:18 pm

Or maybe they just aren’t sure about Carbery period.
I know that last summer when the Carbery to Ulster campaign was in full cry, the consensus in Ulster was that they would rather have Ross Byrne
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Re: Ireland v. France Sun 10 March 15.00

Postby Edna Kenny » March 7th, 2019, 5:37 pm

Twist wrote:Is the addition of Ross Byrne, while retainjng Carty, a sign that they arent sure about Carbery’s fitness?


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I'd say that's why he's been brought in. Plus, Leinster don't have a game so it makes sense to get Byrne into the camp for the week.
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Re: Ireland v. France Sun 10 March 15.00

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » March 7th, 2019, 5:44 pm

It also means they can offer him a bench spot this weekend if he signs for Ulster before the team is named.
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