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Re: RWC 2019

Postby Twist » September 22nd, 2019, 2:45 pm

If you think Japan have a chance against NZ then surely they have an even greater chance against us?


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Re: RWC 2019

Postby FLIP » September 22nd, 2019, 3:10 pm

Twist wrote:If you think Japan have a chance against NZ then surely they have an even greater chance against us?


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I certainly don't think they will be easy to beat.
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Re: RWC 2019

Postby Oldschool » September 22nd, 2019, 5:15 pm

Twist wrote:If you think Japan have a chance against NZ then surely they have an even greater chance against us?


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Re: RWC 2019

Postby jimbobjoe » September 23rd, 2019, 10:08 am

Fireworks wrote:I have a crazy theory. Really crazy.....

Any chance that Toner is left home to get fit and will be parachuted as an *injury* replacement late in the pool to be fresh and ready for the QF.


I had that thought too
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Re: RWC 2019

Postby fourthirtythree » September 23rd, 2019, 11:19 am

No. I think Jean Kleyn is Schmidt's Damian Browne at international level. If Ryan is injured Toner will be called up but Kleyn will start at TH lock. That's long standing Schmidt tendencies (see also starting Quinn Roux v SA - not that I think Kleyn will start v SA. I really hope not as we will need more mobility). Schmidt has been trying to get Henderson as the main partner for Ryan with an eye to what is needed in the world cup, it didn't work sometimes and we went back to the safety of Toner but he obviously thinks, looking at what modern locks are doing elsewhere, that the Henderson Ryan partnership is the future. And yesterday it really gelled for the first time.

I think he's still traumatised by the QD v Argentina where the subs only partially delivered. He brought Ryan on you could argue he should have started - but as a sub he offered very little impact and chased the game to on effect. Toner was up against Beirne in the sub lock auditions and lost that battle by some margin. As an aside Beirne was to my mind the only Irish sub who could be disappointed with their performance yesterday (Scannell was out of position) he messed up a lineout, missed some tackles where others had Feen dominant all game, and got sent off.

I don't think there's some conspiracy around Toner. It's in keeping with Schmidt's form. Obviously Kleyn wouldn't get in the Leinster 23 without some injuries but it's a different setup with different priorities.
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Re: RWC 2019

Postby Ruckedtobits » September 23rd, 2019, 11:38 am

So, forward passes for both of the Welsh tries in the first 12 mins..
Combined with Premiership ref Luke Pearse ignoring a blatant arm pull in the air by the Welsh winger Adams, Georgia must feel this game is stacked against them.

Having an English ref for this, rather than a SH ref seems to smack of an avoidable bias.

No hopeful that the Tier 2 team will get a fair crack in this one, but we'll see.
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Re: RWC 2019

Postby tingman » September 23rd, 2019, 11:46 am

Ruckedtobits wrote:So, forward passes for both of the Welsh tries in the first 12 mins..
Combined with Premiership ref Luke Pearse ignoring a blatant arm pull in the air by the Welsh winger Adams, Georgia must feel this game is stacked against them.

Having an English ref for this, rather than a SH ref seems to smack of an avoidable bias.

No hopeful that the Tier 2 team will get a fair crack in this one, but we'll see.


Fair enough but from what I've seen of Georgia so far they are very limited. Go forward they are clueless.
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Re: RWC 2019

Postby Ruckedtobits » September 23rd, 2019, 11:53 am

The decision by Luke Pearse that Biggar knocked a pass down but it didn't go foward, defies logic and over-rules what the TMO illustrated. He's making a mockery of this game.
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Re: RWC 2019

Postby tingman » September 23rd, 2019, 12:02 pm

Ruckedtobits wrote:The decision by Luke Pearse that Biggar knocked a pass down but it didn't go foward, defies logic and over-rules what the TMO illustrated. He's making a mockery of this game.


indeed...and orders to use the ball from the feet of Georgia's number 8 with the scrum moving forward was shocking.
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Re: RWC 2019

Postby Dave Cahill » September 23rd, 2019, 12:14 pm

tingman wrote:
Ruckedtobits wrote:The decision by Luke Pearse that Biggar knocked a pass down but it didn't go foward, defies logic and over-rules what the TMO illustrated. He's making a mockery of this game.


indeed...and orders to use the ball from the feet of Georgia's number 8 with the scrum moving forward was shocking.



That one should have been a penalty to Wales - the Georgian front row had dropped and the back five was sliding over them, they weren't actually going forward, just compacting. Wales weren't going backwards at all so the scrum wasn't moving forward, just some of the Georgians!
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Re: RWC 2019

Postby Dave Cahill » September 23rd, 2019, 1:18 pm

Good second half to that game, fun to watch
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Re: RWC 2019

Postby cormac » September 23rd, 2019, 3:51 pm

Ruckedtobits wrote:The decision by Luke Pearse that Biggar knocked a pass down but it didn't go foward, defies logic and over-rules what the TMO illustrated. He's making a mockery of this game.


It looks to all the world like it should have gone forward but the ball does actually travel backwards towards the Welsh line off the Welsh player's hand.

Also, Gareth Davies was the player involved, not Biggar.
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Re: RWC 2019

Postby Oldschool » September 23rd, 2019, 4:58 pm

cormac wrote:
Ruckedtobits wrote:The decision by Luke Pearse that Biggar knocked a pass down but it didn't go foward, defies logic and over-rules what the TMO illustrated. He's making a mockery of this game.


It looks to all the world like it should have gone forward but the ball does actually travel backwards towards the Welsh line off the Welsh player's hand.

Also, Gareth Davies was the player involved, not Biggar.

That's one for Hawkeye, I would suggest.
Seriously though the ref does have a 3D view of things and all the relational (relative) stuff that goes with it.
Referee is generally in real time and doesn't have the luxury of looking at every incident in slow mo.
It's really why the lines people need to be a bit more proactive.
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Re: RWC 2019

Postby OTT » September 24th, 2019, 12:16 pm

Samoa lucky not to have two red cards for high tackles, contact with the head.

Got away with tackled player dipping on both occasions.

Not what it looked like to me for either one.
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Re: RWC 2019

Postby Dave Cahill » September 24th, 2019, 12:50 pm

Concussion pornographers are out in force again with the Samoans in action.

So, how does the Head injury assessment work?

Here is a sample HIA1 - the assessment done during a match



The HIA off field doesn’t diagnose concussion - it only determines return to play. The actual diagnosis is made at HIA2 (3hrs later) and HIA3 (36-48). So HIA1 being failed need not mean concussion.
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Re: RWC 2019

Postby Blue not red blood » September 24th, 2019, 3:22 pm

Glad they dont those questions in Mary Mcs in order to get served!!!!!1
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Re: RWC 2019

Postby Ruckedtobits » September 25th, 2019, 7:24 am

Well, that's been a very surprising first half in Fiji v Uruguay and nothing to do with the weather. Three tries to one and nothing accidental about the scoreline thus far. The worldwide standard has definitely risen. The performances of Namibia, Georgia, Samoa, Tonga and even Russia have all shown improvement but nobody better than Uruguay.
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Re: RWC 2019

Postby Twist » September 25th, 2019, 7:51 am

This Uruguay v. Fiji match is a warning against complacency to everyone in the competition


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Re: RWC 2019

Postby Dave Cahill » September 25th, 2019, 8:14 am

Quare good stuff that
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Re: RWC 2019

Postby Oldschool » September 25th, 2019, 10:16 am

There is a RWC within the RWC.
With double ranking points on offer the minnows have an opportunity to target each other.
This could be important in terms of qualification for the next RWC and growing the game locally.
This works to the advantage of the top table.
Japan might be tempted to have a go on Saturday but the down side is that doing so could undermine their very real chance of a QF place.
A QF that the TV companies and the IRB would love to see.
Uruguay saw an opportunity and TBF took it.
Next up is Georgia. The five day turnaround won't help.
However the Georgian defence looked very porous.
The viewer ratings for this will click up a notch.
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