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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby cormac » January 15th, 2020, 5:42 pm

11 players from the original RWC squad not involved, nor is Jordi Murphy who went out as an injury replacement.

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Injured: Conan, Carty, Carbery
Dropped: Scannell, Cronin, John Ryan, Kleyn, Ruddock, Carty, Rob Kearney
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby Jonny tight lips » January 15th, 2020, 5:56 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:Ireland 2020 Guinness Six Nations Squad:

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Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 41 caps
Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 95 caps
Dave Kilcoyne (UL Bohemians/Munster) 36 caps
Jack McGrath (St Mary’s College/Ulster) 56 caps
Tom O’Toole (Banbridge/Ulster) 0 caps
Andrew Porter (UCD/Leinster) 23 caps

Hookers

Dave Heffernan (Buccaneers/Connacht) 1 cap
Rob Herring (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 8 caps
Ronan Kelleher (Lansdowne/Leinster) 0 caps

Locks

Ultan Dillane (Corinthians/Connacht) 14 caps
Iain Henderson (Academy/Ulster) 53 caps
James Ryan (UCD/Leinster) 23 caps
Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 67 caps
Ryan Baird (Dublin University/Leinster)

Back Row

Max Deegan (Lansdowne/Leinster) 0 caps
Caelan Doris (UCD/Leinster) 0 caps
Jack O’Donoghue (UL Bohemians/Munster) 2 caps
Peter O’Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 64 caps
CJ Stander (Shannon/Munster) 38 caps
Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster) 23 caps
Will Connors (UCD/Leinster).

Scrum Halves

John Cooney (Terenure College/Ulster) 8 caps
Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster) 19 caps
Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 78 caps

Outhalves

Billy Burns (Ulster) 0 caps
Ross Byrne (UCD/Leinster) 3 caps
Jonathan Sexton (St Marys College/Leinster) 88 caps CAPTAIN
Harry Byrne (Lansdowne/Leinster)

Centres

Bundee Aki (Galwegians/Connacht) 23 caps
Chris Farrell (Young Munster/Munster) 9 caps
Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 40 caps
Garry Ringrose (UCD/Leinster) 28 caps

Back Three

Will Addison (Enniskillen/Ulster) 4 caps
Andrew Conway (Garryowen/Munster) 18 caps
Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster) 82 caps
Dave Kearney (Lansdowne/Leinster) 19 caps
Jordan Larmour (St Mary’s College/Leinster) 21 caps
Jacob Stockdale (Lurgan/Ulster) 25 caps
Robert Baloucoune (Enniskillen/Ulster)


Thank you, Would it kill the IRFU to put up the team in this format which would be much easier for people to digest, same with leinster and the euro squad.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby Twist » January 15th, 2020, 6:00 pm

There’s very little experience backing up Sexton. How late will the Scots hit him? Take your pick

- They’ll still be hitting him when we’re playing Wales
- They’ll have to pay Xtra Vision £2.50 every time
- It’ll be so late it counts as a pregnancy scare
- The Air Coach will deem it “on time”

Im surprised Niall Scannell isn’t there. I’m shocked McCloskey isn’t there, and outraged on behalf of Ruddock

The development players are a good idea
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby tingman » January 15th, 2020, 6:04 pm

Shocking decision picking Peter O'Mahony over Rhys Ruddock - I know who I'd pick all day long.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby wixfjord » January 15th, 2020, 6:13 pm

Hooker selection is mad. I don't think Scannell is brilliant by any means but hard to know what Heffernan has done to be in there ahead of him and Cronin.

Very disappointed for Rhys. He deserves to be starting never mind not in the squad in my eyes. Good to reward JOD but POM really doesn't deserve to be in ahead of him.

Fair play to DK. Having an excellent season.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby locho » January 15th, 2020, 6:27 pm

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Slightly nicer format?!?
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby Ruckedtobits » January 15th, 2020, 6:33 pm

Surprised with inclusion of Burns without McCluskey. Hard luck on Rhys, but Leo and Leinster will be happy to have him for the next 7 weeks whilst missing Doris, Deegan, JVdF and Connors.

Tom O'Toole should feel very lucky to get in ahead of Bealham and Marty Moore. Jack McGrath's inclusion is very welcome. Heffernan is an excellent scrum operator, much improved with his darts and a very aggressive ball carrier. He could bench against Scotland.

J10 being named as Captain could signal the end of PO'M as an automatic backrow selection.

Broadly a form selection and on that basis Dave Kearney will give hope to everybody in good current form. Looks more and more like RK will be stuck at 95 caps.

Kelleher is the closest to a surprise selection but Scannell's omission may be biggest shock.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby ronk » January 15th, 2020, 6:48 pm

Odd in some ways that Ruddock doesnt make the cut when Doris and Deegan do. I suppose the positional element might make some difference.

Given the need for experience it's strange to pick such an inexperienced panel of hookers.

Wasnt sure McGrath would make it as a loosehead. Happy that Toner is back, even though it's a no-brainer.

Farrell is managing without the safety blanket of experienced players like Rob and Cronin. Earls is possibly lucky but form can change in camp.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby Flash Gordon » January 15th, 2020, 6:52 pm

Very disappointed for Rhys, think he's in better form than POM to be honest. Two successive coaches haven't picked Big Stu even though he's now in cracking form. I'm a bit less surprised by that than many. Big French and English centers eat what he does for breakfast, we need to offer something different. i wonder will he look for the money in France or England going forward if he's not getting picked for Ireland.

With regard to the captaincy. J10 is one of a few that are fairly close to automatic selections and in modern rugby player leadership tends to be more group driven. Each club or country has a leadership group so the role is more collective.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby elephantman » January 15th, 2020, 6:54 pm

I really like Andy Farrell and hope he is a huge success but not picking Rhys Ruddock is a shocking decision.

The team for Scotland will give another indicator of Farrell's thinking but if Stander and POM both make the starting 15 then the Andy Farrell era doesn't bode well. Picking one of Stander and POM due to experience would be understandable. Picking both would be nonsense.

Thought Stuart McCloskey would be a shoe in considering Farrell is widely believed to be the driving force behind the Sam Burgess selection in RWC 2015.

Dave Heffernan being selected is baffling.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby Pilotman123 » January 15th, 2020, 6:55 pm

Was such a joke that Toner wasn’t involved in the RWC, with Kleyn not being picked for 6 nations 2020 it just goes to show that it was the wrong call picking him ahead of Dev Toner
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby Pilotman123 » January 15th, 2020, 6:56 pm

elephantman wrote:I really like Andy Farrell and hope he is a huge success but not picking Rhys Ruddock is a shocking decision.

The team for Scotland will give another indicator of Farrell's thinking but if Stander and POM both make the starting 15 then the Andy Farrell era doesn't bode well. Picking one of Stander and POM due to experience would be understandable. Picking both would be nonsense.

Thought Stuart McCloskey would be a shoe in considering Farrell is widely believed to be the driving force behind the Sam Burgess selection in RWC 2015.

Dave Heffernan being selected is baffling.

Who’s Dave Heffernan?
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby Peg Leg » January 15th, 2020, 7:10 pm

Johnny Sexton fell into a ring of fire...
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby Blue not red blood » January 15th, 2020, 7:12 pm

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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby blockhead » January 15th, 2020, 7:17 pm

Can't believe nobody has mentioned it yet...........



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Is he injured?
Has he tweetd yet or will he wait for our first defeat?
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » January 15th, 2020, 7:23 pm

Gutted for Rhys and don't get it at all. One of the few players who looked in good nick at the World Cup, still in good form, versatile, a leader....the list goes on. I wonder if Deegan and Doris being involved means that Stander will be playing at 6 though? Even if he is I'd still have Rhys in there. I had a feeling that at least one of Stander and POM would still make the 23 but now it looks like being both and that's really disappointing IMO.

I'm really surprised by the Scannell omission, think he's been playing quite well and seems like a really solid option to have. I guess Herring has similar kind of form and has never let Ireland down in the past, but I'd have had both of them in. Heffernan is powerful but his darts are very dodgy and he can drift in and out of games. Given that Kelleher is so raw I don't see why you'd pick both of them.

I don't get the fuss about McCloskey, for every good thing he does there's a sloppy error and four centres plus Addison and Larmour covering if needed is probably enough.

I thought ronk was nuts to think that guys who weren't at the stocktake had a chance to make it but he was right and I was very wrong. Jack McGrath has definitely looked better recently and I think our LH situation suddenly looks much healthier in the short term, although still think Porter should be a LH from next season onwards. Not sure about Marty's injury situation but his conditioning still has to be a big concern anyway. I really like the look of TOT and think he'd be able to slot in and do a decent job just by working his arse off.

I like that Baloucoune was given that development role as well. I said recently that I'd like to bring players in like that for a week or two during the tournament but didn't name him. He's been brilliant recently though and we're not exactly blessed with right wings.

Congrats to Johnny :happy clapper: I'd like to see the captaincy shared around a bit though e.g. Ryan getting it at the end of games or maybe once from the start.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » January 15th, 2020, 7:42 pm

Hadn't noticed that Kleyn didn't make it. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall when they were discussing himself and Dev.

I'm a bit confused about the kind of player Farrell wants. Herring and Dev are back in the good books and are very solid, but then so is Rhys and he's not there. Scannell has been pretty solid but doesn't make it, yet Herring is similar and does. Jordi probably fits into that category as well but it's not like he's been replaced by a SOB type 7.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby RichardP » January 15th, 2020, 8:11 pm

Herring’s throwing has been worse than bad, makes Rory Best look like the Lord of The Lineout; very lucky to be there.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby Sionnach » January 15th, 2020, 8:44 pm

Some Munster fans have said that Kleyn has picked up a neck injury and will be out for a while, so we might not know if he’s dropped or injured.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020

Postby fourthirtythree » January 15th, 2020, 9:02 pm

He's also just not very good at all. Schmidt always had a soft spot for a Damien Browne type that nobody else would pick and Kleyn wouldn't get a sniff at Leinster's 23.
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