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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby jimbobjoe » August 9th, 2017, 3:08 pm

I wonder will the addition of the SA teams and the cash injection with them cause Pro14 to SORT OUT THE BLOODY WEBSITE :evil:
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby rooster » August 9th, 2017, 5:42 pm

kermischocolate wrote:Very odd fixtures. Glasgow only have 3 home games in 2018. Also what happened to all games in SA will be on a Saturday?
Ulster have 7 home in 2017 and only 4 in 2018, even worse the away matches most go to are the Italians and Connacht add in Port Elizabeth and those are all pre Christmas as well, not a well balanced season at all.
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby johng » August 9th, 2017, 6:10 pm

I had a scan through all the fixtures the other day to see what ones (outside the Island) were worth going to. I came up with Ospreys at the end of March. And then only if we are either out of Europe or have a home QF.

Every other fixture has something against it.

EG. South Africa. Too soon and too dear.

Glasgow. Playing them twice in Europe and No Ireland players because it's the week before the AIs

Treviso. Week or perhaps 2 before a likely trip to Exeter.

etc etc.

Leinster have 7 away and 4 home before Christmas. Do you think that is better Roostie?
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby rooster » August 9th, 2017, 7:13 pm

Not great either John, I think all our favorite trips early in season and Connacht on 23rd December is my biggest bugbear, I have always done at least one of the Italian trips and do both when we have traditionally had Connacht on St Stephens day but this year just has blown the thing apart, her indoors and myself thinking of just taking a week somewhere warm and stuff the rugby to be honest this season.
The largest part of the home matches in a couple of months and then a month between matches does nothing for the enthusiasm, anyway unless we get a decent 10 and Cooney stays fit and exceeds expectations I expect us to be out of the running before 6 Nations starts.

Would it not have been pretty simple to swap some of the home/aways round and evened up the season, I know it could have been done in Ulster fixtures with a couple.
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby kermischocolate » August 9th, 2017, 9:16 pm

Why would all the teams sign off on such imbalances? Doesn't seem like there's any need for it.
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby Dexter » August 10th, 2017, 12:25 pm

The SA teams have a 5 week break in the middle of the season.

Edit: plus there's no games in SA between Dec 2 and the the start of March, apart from derby game.
That must make scheduling a bit of a mare.
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby kermischocolate » August 10th, 2017, 2:17 pm

Dexter wrote:The SA teams have a 5 week break in the middle of the season.

Edit: plus there's no games in SA between Dec 2 and the the start of March, apart from derby game.
That must make scheduling a bit of a mare.


Wonder will that just be for this season as they have 2 basically running back to back?
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby johng » August 10th, 2017, 3:55 pm

kermischocolate wrote:
Dexter wrote:The SA teams have a 5 week break in the middle of the season.

Edit: plus there's no games in SA between Dec 2 and the the start of March, apart from derby game.
That must make scheduling a bit of a mare.


Wonder will that just be for this season as they have 2 basically running back to back?

No it's because you can't play rugby in Bloomfontain and PE in the middle of the summer. 30 + degrees
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby Lar » August 10th, 2017, 4:47 pm

johng wrote:
kermischocolate wrote:
Dexter wrote:The SA teams have a 5 week break in the middle of the season.

Edit: plus there's no games in SA between Dec 2 and the the start of March, apart from derby game.
That must make scheduling a bit of a mare.


Wonder will that just be for this season as they have 2 basically running back to back?

No it's because you can't play rugby in Bloomfontain and PE in the middle of the summer. 30 + degrees


That's not really true for PE but the traditional rugby season shuts down for the summer everywhere in the SH which means it will be interesting to see what effect it has on the Cheetahs and the S Kings this season. They essentially have December and January off. They get their warm up games out of the way at the end January between each other (which must favour them when you think about it) and then they will be pretty fresh starting back on the weekend of 9 February having had a nice two month break to all intents and purposes (just when we have lost our front liners to the 6N).
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby Ruckedtobits » August 10th, 2017, 5:16 pm

This may be only for this Season as Cheetahs and Kings will have played non-stop since February and players will need a break. Next year they could certainly play some Pro14 games in Dec and Jan, despite the European games in that period.

It is almost possible to re-work the fixtures to see what might work with a bit of imagination and less direction from Broadcasters. They have exercised the whiphand this Season because that have written the commitment for US$60 over the next 6 years. But next year there should be no reason why Leinster, Munster and Ospreys have to head down to SA in successive September weeks to market and showcase the new Tournament.
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby rooster » August 10th, 2017, 8:30 pm

Dexter wrote:The SA teams have a 5 week break in the middle of the season.

Edit: plus there's no games in SA between Dec 2 and the the start of March, apart from derby game.
That must make scheduling a bit of a mare.
Not really as remember there are 4 European Cup weekends during that time plus a couple of 6 Nations weekends
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby simonokeeffe » August 13th, 2017, 9:25 am

Head of SARU has said theyre working on 2 MORE teams joining pro14 but that theyll mostly pick future November tour squads from the 4

New teams would be Griquas, Pumas etc not the big boys

Now thatd be some wonky conferences, 4 Irish plus one of Welsh/SA/Scots & Italians. Last 2 would have to be paired together
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby TerenureJim » August 13th, 2017, 11:17 am

simonokeeffe wrote:Head of SARU has said theyre working on 2 MORE teams joining pro14 but that theyll mostly pick future November tour squads from the 4

New teams would be Griquas, Pumas etc not the big boys

Now thatd be some wonky conferences, 4 Irish plus one of Welsh/SA/Scots & Italians. Last 2 would have to be paired together


Not really you just add one SA team to each current conference surely?

I'm fine with expansion provided the media and the league CEO get behind the fact that one of the ideas of this league is that it develops professional players for European comps and by extension international rugby so that the international game continues to thrive and keeps the millionaire English/French club owners at bay from taking over the game.

If I have to hear Gavin cummisky giving out again about non frontline players togging out, it's a squad game Gavin, a lot of fans want to see the up and coming lads get a chance rather than those 26-34 getting flogged week in week out.

Sorry bit of a rant there
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby wixfjord » August 13th, 2017, 11:22 am

Adding two more teams would be madness, and even FURTHER dilute a league that has already been diluted. Does SA have enough quality players for 8 pro teams across two leagues? There's already questions over whether they have enough for 6.
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby Dave Cahill » August 13th, 2017, 11:36 am

TerenureJim wrote:a lot of fans want to see the up and coming lads get a chance rather than those 26-34 getting flogged week in week out.


I'd have to disagree with that. Some of the, for want of a better phrase, Ultras want to see the up and coming lads. Everyone else wants to see the stars. Look at last season.
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby simonokeeffe » August 13th, 2017, 11:37 am

wixfjord wrote:Adding two more teams would be madness, and even FURTHER dilute a league that has already been diluted. Does SA have enough quality players for 8 pro teams across two leagues? There's already questions over whether they have enough for 6.


F no
Factor in all their wild geese on far better money elsewhere and not a chance

New teams would be Currie Cup teams ie a tier below their worst 2 Super Rugby sides

@TJ if my mental gymnastics are right you couldnt split countries teams between provinces and protect the all the derbies (without increasing number of games to 24)

Youd have to keep Irish and Welsh separate every year to avoid lopsided conferences. Also a question of guaranteeing national representation in playoffs
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby ronk » August 13th, 2017, 11:33 pm

Could just switch to a single conference but not play everyone.
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby simonokeeffe » August 14th, 2017, 1:16 pm

if anyone wants to see a massacre go to Kings part of super rugby 2017 18 transfers wikipedia page

26 players have left, including all bar one of their locks, backrowers, and scrumhalves

seems like a good chunk of their squad was on loan from other super rugby sides to begin with
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby The Doc » August 14th, 2017, 3:16 pm

ronk wrote:Could just switch to a single conference but not play everyone.


And you call it something else - like maybe a "league" or something :D
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby BlueBlue » August 14th, 2017, 3:38 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:Head of SARU has said theyre working on 2 MORE teams joining pro14 but that theyll mostly pick future November tour squads from the 4

New teams would be Griquas, Pumas etc not the big boys

Now thatd be some wonky conferences, 4 Irish plus one of Welsh/SA/Scots & Italians. Last 2 would have to be paired together



I think it would be more accurate to say the SA CEO said they are working on 4 teams playing in the NH, rather than Pro14 / 16.

We might think these additional 2 south african teams are crap, but I bet we'd be in a panic if the join the AP or Top14. I know with having 2 teams in The Pro14 , joining that league would be ideal, but anything is possible as shown by by the 1st north - south entity already. Rumour has it that the expansion to Pro14 put the AP board in a bit of a tail spin.
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