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Postby fourthirtythree » May 29th, 2019, 2:29 pm

Fantastic opportunities to make some stuff/people go away with the large scale concrete pouring. Allegedly.
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby blockhead » May 29th, 2019, 2:31 pm

Mick Kearney off to Zebre, or is that old news too?
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby Oldschool » May 29th, 2019, 2:41 pm

fourthirtythree wrote:Fantastic opportunities to make some stuff/people go away with the large scale concrete pouring. Allegedly.

Anyone, in particular, in mind?
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby rooster » May 30th, 2019, 1:00 am

Oldschool wrote:
fourthirtythree wrote:Fantastic opportunities to make some stuff/people go away with the large scale concrete pouring. Allegedly.

Anyone, in particular, in mind?
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby neill_m » May 30th, 2019, 11:13 pm

Sam Davies heading to Dragons from Ospreys.
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby neill_m » June 12th, 2019, 4:09 pm

Latest unofficial conferences for 2019/20.

https://twitter.com/simonrug/status/1138818178082062336

Conference A

Glasgow (Scotland 1)
Leinster (Ireland 2)
Ulster (Ireland 3)
Ospreys (Wales 1)
Dragons (Wales 4)
Zebre (Italy 2)
Cheetahs (South Africa 1)

Conference B

Edinburgh (Scotland 2)
Munster (Ireland 1)
Connacht (Ireland 4)
Cardiff Blues (Wales 2)
Scarlets (Wales 3)
Benetton (Italy 1)
Southern Kings (South Africa 2)
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby neill_m » June 14th, 2019, 4:29 pm

Jason Tovey rejoining Cardiff Blues for 2019/20.
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby neill_m » June 17th, 2019, 2:47 pm

Conferences confirmed:

Leinster, Ulster, Glasgow, Ospreys, Dragons, Zebre, Cheetahs

Munster, Connacht, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Scarlets, Benetton, Kings

6 sides from B could make playoffs. A looks more set in stone.
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby blockhead » June 21st, 2019, 10:20 pm

neill_m wrote:Conferences confirmed:

Leinster, Ulster, Glasgow, Ospreys, Dragons, Zebre, Cheetahs

Munster, Connacht, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Scarlets, Benetton, Kings

6 sides from B could make playoffs. A looks more set in stone.


Next season is going to be hugely affected by events in Japan. With SFA involvement in the WC you'd imagine that Connacht and the wildlings will put up some sort of fight.
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby blockhead » June 29th, 2019, 10:11 pm

Ruan Pienaar rumoured to be joining the Cheetahs
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby blockhead » June 29th, 2019, 10:39 pm

From Rugbypass
'We will look for black rugby brains' - race row rocks Southern Kings
The Southern Kings have started an internal disciplinary process, following a racist rant by board member Bantwini Matika – reports Rugby 365
Matika, in Facebook posts that elicited angry reactions, accused former Springbok coach Nick Mallett and television analyst of being a racist.
This follows after the Port Elizabeth-based franchise revealed that Mallett will be part of the panel that will find a replacement for axed coach Deon Davids.
In his Facebook post, Matika said the Kings don’t need help from “Racist Mallet[t]” to find a suitable coach for the team.
“Mallet[t] is not suitable to help us and look for a coach who will be dedicated to build a totally transformed Kings team,” he said in his rant.
“Mallet[t] will never support our transformation agenda and therefore is ill-equipped to choose an appropriate coach for the Kings.”
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In a separate post, using a vile expletive, he said he is happy to confront ‘institutionalised racism’ in rugby.
Kings board Chairman Loyiso Dotwana said the series of Facebook posts from Matika is “completely unacceptable” and do not represent the views or position of the board of the Southern Kings.
“We have already initiated a process to deal with this unfortunate incident internally,” Dotwana said.
He added that they support Mallett’s participation in the panel that will find a coach to replace Davids.
“We have previously communicated that the Kings are looking to appoint a new head coach. As a result, the board is assembling a reputable panel of experts to assist in the interviewing of prospective candidates for the position.
“However, this panel has not yet been finalised, but it must be pointed out that it will be chaired by the Chairman of the board.
“We believe that Nick Mallet has the right expertise to assist us in selecting a coach who will help build a professional and competitive rugby team for the future.
“The Kings are the first black-owned rugby franchise in South Africa and, as such, are fully committed to the transformation of the sport in the country.”
The Southern Kings recently advertised their head coach position after it was announced that Davids, who had been at the helm since 2016, departed by “mutual agreement”.
The Port Elizabeth media sees Matika’s racist rant as part of a power struggle.
Matika also accused Kings Dotwana of not knowing rugby and relying on what he said were white liberal brains to help him.
Matika, who is also EP Rugby Union deputy president, lashed out at the Southern Kings owners because, as a board member, he had not been consulted about Mallett and had read about his involvement in the newspaper.
“We are testing whether the EP Rugby Union, as a minority shareholder, is significant or insignificant,” Matika said in an interview with the Port Elizabeth-based Herald newspaper.
“This is a test case.”
The new owners, called the Greatest Rugby Company in the Whole Wide World, have a 74 percent share and the EPRU 26 percent in the Pro14 franchise.
“After a number of decisions taken by the new owners, we realised this was not what we had been expecting. This was a different animal, but under the name of a black consortium,” Matika told the Herald.
“The first strategic appointment was a white man by the name of Robbie Kempson.
“We debated around that in the board and we were not happy.
“We raised reasons and put up proper arguments that this was not right.
“We challenged this but we were bulldozed because they knew what they wanted.
“He was head-hunted.
“But we said maybe things are going to get better and let’s accept Robbie and all work together.
“Then, in another strategic position, white lady [Leigh Heard] who comes from the Sharks was appointed as chief operating officer. Those were two crucial appointments which demonstrated clearly that we are not moving in the right direction.
“Robbie is the man who is influencing our decision-makers and leaders and they listen to Robbie only.
“We had to fight that.
“I personally know that the chairman of the board, Loyiso Dotwana, does not know about rugby.
“He needed brains to help him about rugby.
“Unfortunately for him, he relies on white liberal brains to support him and we are contesting that.
“I am making sure that when he gets a white voice in the left ear he must get a black voice on the right.
“But it is difficult for us because there is Rory Stear [deputy chair] in one ear and Robbie Kempson in the other ear.
“So we have to shout [to get] attention as a black voice and we are sick and tired of that.
“The bad thing was the way the black coaches, Deon Davids and Chumani Booi, were treated by this franchise – especially Deon, who worked against all odds.
“The last straw was reading that Nick Mallett was here in Port Elizabeth.
“The chairperson has my phone number, but I did not have a clue about that.
“I want to make sure as a board member [that] the committee that will be established to recruit is 70% black and 30% white.
“We will look for black rugby brains – we do have it here in the Eastern Cape.”
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby dropkick » July 8th, 2019, 10:01 am

Just looking at transfers. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2019–20_Pro14_transfers

The Welsh teams seem to transfer a lot of players between themselves but for every quality player coming in, some go out. Cardiff sign 2 good wingers in Josh Adams and Amos so you think they're going to have a great backline next season but they've lost Anscombe to Ospreys.
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby hugonaut » July 8th, 2019, 1:42 pm

This is a very interesting [and very long] interview with Marcus Russell, who managed Oasis and was chairman of Ebbw Vale for a time:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... n-16520383

Interesting to read an up front and self-aware recollection of the early days of professionalism from the somebody who was deeply involved.

“We had to incorporate the club, there were lawyers and accountants running round. It was very fast moving. Looking back now, it was absolutely insane in my view. Not just for Ebbw Vale, but the whole way it was done with the game going pro in Wales. Nobody had to submit business plans, nobody knew what was going on one week after the next, to be honest. Very quickly, you were just up to your neck in it, you were in the trench. A lot of the clubs were struggling to keep up from day one. They weren’t equipped whatsoever. No-one was, neither was the Union. Everybody was just bumbling along, making it up as we went along really. Sadly, it developed into dog-eat-dog pretty quickly and this whole blame game with the WRU."

“With all the clubs, if there was a problem or something went wrong, they would blame the Union. That was the one thing all the clubs had in common. I put my hand up, we were just as bad as the others. It was pathetic, absolutely pathetic. There was this whole dependency. Everyone had their own line into Glanmor Griffiths to try and get some deal or some loan and Glanmor was like Al Pacino. It was ridiculous. For me, it started on completely the wrong footing. There was no plan, no collectivity. We were all competing against each other and it was a race to the bottom really. We used to have meetings, but there was no common ground, while the Union was trying to make out they still had control when they didn’t. It was all so dysfunctional I can’t tell you.”
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby the spoofer » July 8th, 2019, 2:16 pm

hugonaut wrote:This is a very interesting [and very long] interview with Marcus Russell, who managed Oasis and was chairman of Ebbw Vale for a time:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... n-16520383

Interesting to read an up front and self-aware recollection of the early days of professionalism from the somebody who was deeply involved.

“We had to incorporate the club, there were lawyers and accountants running round. It was very fast moving. Looking back now, it was absolutely insane in my view. Not just for Ebbw Vale, but the whole way it was done with the game going pro in Wales. Nobody had to submit business plans, nobody knew what was going on one week after the next, to be honest. Very quickly, you were just up to your neck in it, you were in the trench. A lot of the clubs were struggling to keep up from day one. They weren’t equipped whatsoever. No-one was, neither was the Union. Everybody was just bumbling along, making it up as we went along really. Sadly, it developed into dog-eat-dog pretty quickly and this whole blame game with the WRU."

“With all the clubs, if there was a problem or something went wrong, they would blame the Union. That was the one thing all the clubs had in common. I put my hand up, we were just as bad as the others. It was pathetic, absolutely pathetic. There was this whole dependency. Everyone had their own line into Glanmor Griffiths to try and get some deal or some loan and Glanmor was like Al Pacino. It was ridiculous. For me, it started on completely the wrong footing. There was no plan, no collectivity. We were all competing against each other and it was a race to the bottom really. We used to have meetings, but there was no common ground, while the Union was trying to make out they still had control when they didn’t. It was all so dysfunctional I can’t tell you.”


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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby ronk » July 8th, 2019, 10:19 pm

If only they had been able to get in with England...
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby neill_m » July 10th, 2019, 4:10 pm

Pienaar's move to the Cheetahs officially confirmed. 2 year contract.
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby neill_m » July 15th, 2019, 3:26 pm

2019/20 fixtures to be released by Friday. Confirmed by the Pro 14 on twitter.
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby dropkick » July 22nd, 2019, 7:28 am

The Welsh are getting excited. Their masters are coming to save them according to the rugby paper.


Some mystery English club chairman has said a British league is enivitable and thinks it'll happen in a year or two.


Apparently he said they'll go ahead with or without the Irish teams. :lol:


As expected the article has got plenty of clicks. No mention of the Italian and South African teams.
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby Oldschool » July 22nd, 2019, 8:04 am

the spoofer wrote:
hugonaut wrote:This is a very interesting [and very long] interview with Marcus Russell, who managed Oasis and was chairman of Ebbw Vale for a time:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... n-16520383

Interesting to read an up front and self-aware recollection of the early days of professionalism from the somebody who was deeply involved.

“We had to incorporate the club, there were lawyers and accountants running round. It was very fast moving. Looking back now, it was absolutely insane in my view. Not just for Ebbw Vale, but the whole way it was done with the game going pro in Wales. Nobody had to submit business plans, nobody knew what was going on one week after the next, to be honest. Very quickly, you were just up to your neck in it, you were in the trench. A lot of the clubs were struggling to keep up from day one. They weren’t equipped whatsoever. No-one was, neither was the Union. Everybody was just bumbling along, making it up as we went along really. Sadly, it developed into dog-eat-dog pretty quickly and this whole blame game with the WRU."

“With all the clubs, if there was a problem or something went wrong, they would blame the Union. That was the one thing all the clubs had in common. I put my hand up, we were just as bad as the others. It was pathetic, absolutely pathetic. There was this whole dependency. Everyone had their own line into Glanmor Griffiths to try and get some deal or some loan and Glanmor was like Al Pacino. It was ridiculous. For me, it started on completely the wrong footing. There was no plan, no collectivity. We were all competing against each other and it was a race to the bottom really. We used to have meetings, but there was no common ground, while the Union was trying to make out they still had control when they didn’t. It was all so dysfunctional I can’t tell you.”


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It sounds like a classic case of-
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Re: Pro 14 - General Thread

Postby Oldschool » July 22nd, 2019, 8:05 am

dropkick wrote:The Welsh are getting excited. Their masters are coming to save them according to the rugby paper.


Some mystery English club chairman has said a British league is enivitable and thinks it'll happen in a year or two.


Apparently he said they'll go ahead with or without the Irish teams. :lol:


As expected the article has got plenty of clicks. No mention of the Italian and South African teams.

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