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Re: Sabre-rattling from Premiership Rugby again ...

Postby paddyor » April 3rd, 2018, 5:38 pm

blockhead wrote:
The solution to rugby union's warring factions? A British-Irish Big League


Kitson is not panicking.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2018/apr/03/the-solution-to-rugby-union-warring-factions-a-british-irish-big-league

The wind must have changed. This from the start of the season.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/05/premiership-rugby-trumps-all-other-global-leagues
Ruddock's tackle stats consistently too low for me to be taken seriously as a Six Nations blindside..... Ruddock's defensive stats don't stack up. - All Blacks Nil, Jan 15th, 2014
England A 8 - 14 Ireland A, 25th Jan 2014
Ruddock(c) 19/2 Tackles
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Re: Sabre-rattling from Premiership Rugby again ...

Postby Peg Leg » April 3rd, 2018, 6:14 pm

paddyor wrote:
blockhead wrote:
The solution to rugby union's warring factions? A British-Irish Big League


Kitson is not panicking.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2018/apr/03/the-solution-to-rugby-union-warring-factions-a-british-irish-big-league

The wind must have changed. This from the start of the season.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/05/premiership-rugby-trumps-all-other-global-leagues
Worth reading for the comments

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Re: Sabre-rattling from Premiership Rugby again ...

Postby ronk » April 3rd, 2018, 8:15 pm

TerenureJim wrote:
domhnallj wrote:If the ERC has lost its aura because more than half the premiership teams play in it, then simply reduce the number of slots for premiership teams from seven to four - aura returns...


This, I'd be happy to see Edinburgh, Connacht and possibly Cardiff or maybe Zebre return and loose a few English teams if they don't feel up to it. Feel sorry for the English fans though most seem to enjoy euro days.


Or Kings and Cheetahs.
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Re: Sabre-rattling from Premiership Rugby again ...

Postby fourthirtythree » April 3rd, 2018, 9:16 pm

Nigel buys Saracens from the Saffas
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... -per-cent/

I'd take most of what was written in the Times - a paper with a vested interest in undermining BT - about the European Cup with as much salt as anything coming out of a Nigel's hole.

EDIT
Torygraph doesn't seem to think the "aura" has slipped
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... surpassed/
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Re: Sabre-rattling from Premiership Rugby again ...

Postby paddyor » April 3rd, 2018, 9:27 pm

fourthirtythree wrote:Nigel buys Saracens from the Saffas
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... -per-cent/

I'd take most of what was written in the Times - a paper with a vested interest in undermining BT - about the European Cup with as much salt as anything coming out of a Nigel's hole.

"Buys"

Saracens "debt" isn't debt in the sense of a bank loan, bonds etc. It's structured that way for tax purposes. The problem for them has been the persistent losses that have accompanied their success and it's not going to change anytime soon IMO. They've also dragged every other PRL team into debt chasing success.
Ruddock's tackle stats consistently too low for me to be taken seriously as a Six Nations blindside..... Ruddock's defensive stats don't stack up. - All Blacks Nil, Jan 15th, 2014
England A 8 - 14 Ireland A, 25th Jan 2014
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Re: Sabre-rattling from Premiership Rugby again ...

Postby paddyor » April 3rd, 2018, 9:29 pm

fourthirtythree wrote:Nigel buys Saracens from the Saffas
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... -per-cent/

I'd take most of what was written in the Times - a paper with a vested interest in undermining BT - about the European Cup with as much salt as anything coming out of a Nigel's hole.

EDIT
Torygraph doesn't seem to think the "aura" has slipped
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... surpassed/

But the standard of this year's Six Nations, the intensity, came up short when compared to the four games played out in Llanelli, Limerick, Clermont-Ferrand and Dublin last weekend.


Yeah, nah. England lost 3 games.
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England A 8 - 14 Ireland A, 25th Jan 2014
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Re: Sabre-rattling from Premiership Rugby again ...

Postby fourthirtythree » April 3rd, 2018, 10:00 pm

paddyor wrote:
fourthirtythree wrote:Nigel buys Saracens from the Saffas
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... -per-cent/

I'd take most of what was written in the Times - a paper with a vested interest in undermining BT - about the European Cup with as much salt as anything coming out of a Nigel's hole.

"Buys"

Saracens "debt" isn't debt in the sense of a bank loan, bonds etc. It's structured that way for tax purposes. The problem for them has been the persistent losses that have accompanied their success and it's not going to change anytime soon IMO. They've also dragged every other PRL team into debt chasing success.

Don't disagree with any of that, they have been a blight on rugby.
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Re: Sabre-rattling from Premiership Rugby again ...

Postby rooster » April 4th, 2018, 9:27 am

paddyor wrote:
fourthirtythree wrote:Nigel buys Saracens from the Saffas
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... -per-cent/

I'd take most of what was written in the Times - a paper with a vested interest in undermining BT - about the European Cup with as much salt as anything coming out of a Nigel's hole.

"Buys"

Saracens "debt" isn't debt in the sense of a bank loan, bonds etc. It's structured that way for tax purposes. The problem for them has been the persistent losses that have accompanied their success and it's not going to change anytime soon IMO. They've also dragged every other PRL team into debt chasing success.
Yes pretty cheap to "buy" unsecured loans, he either gave them nothing or if he paid anything it will be a tax write off from somewhere else.
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Re: Sabre-rattling from Premiership Rugby again ...

Postby Dave Cahill » April 4th, 2018, 9:29 am

An ownership system that is dependent on the largesse and health of one man is extremely unreliable. Bristol Shoguns and to an extent Stade Francais in Rugby, Gretna FC and Blackburn Rovers in soccer show what happens when that largesse or health fails
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Re: Sabre-rattling from Premiership Rugby again ...

Postby Grumpy Old Man » April 4th, 2018, 12:18 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:An ownership system that is dependent on the largesse and health of one man is extremely unreliable. Bristol Shoguns and to an extent Stade Francais in Rugby, Gretna FC and Blackburn Rovers in soccer show what happens when that largesse or health fails


Didn't Castres have the same issue - it was bankrolled by the guy who owned a local pharmaceutical plant and after his death the family didn't want to know.
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Re: Sabre-rattling from Premiership Rugby again ...

Postby paddyor » April 4th, 2018, 1:09 pm

Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote:An ownership system that is dependent on the largesse and health of one man is extremely unreliable. Bristol Shoguns and to an extent Stade Francais in Rugby, Gretna FC and Blackburn Rovers in soccer show what happens when that largesse or health fails


Didn't Castres have the same issue - it was bankrolled by the guy who owned a local pharmaceutical plant and after his death the family didn't want to know.

Think the support was conditional on them staying in the T14.
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England A 8 - 14 Ireland A, 25th Jan 2014
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Re: Sabre-rattling from Premiership Rugby again ...

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » April 4th, 2018, 2:09 pm

If Kimmage hears about a club owner also owning a pharmaceutical company there'll be mayhem.
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