Tricky Dicky wrote:
Everyone knew Lance was doping. I didn't for one second believe he was clean. There were too many rumours. I wouldn't like to bet a lot that Greene was completely clean either. A lot of athletes from that time were drug takers, like Tim Montgomery and Marion Jones. I want to trust the system though.
Usain Bolt ran 19.93 for 200m at age 17. There's no way that guy's doping. He runs like a cat, not a tank. I'd bet anything that David Rudisha and Haile Gebrselassie are clean too.
Your assertion that any winner is on drugs is based on the assumption that everyone's on the same talent level starting off. That's ridiculous. No amount of drugs would make Mike Ross faster than Tommy Bowe over 100m. Some people are just naturally more athletic than the rest which is the case with Bolt or Ashton Eaton.
There have been quite a few deaths in cycling which were linked to EPO use. Marco Pantani is one name I remember.
You haven't addressed my point about individuals putting their health at risk to get an edge. In your perfect world where everyone's on drugs presumably everyone would improve by the same amount, making legalising drugs redundant. Individuals would take more and more drugs to get an edge. Where would it stop?
Victor conte head of BALCO claimed all the finalists in the mens 100m in 2000 were doping, he was supplying a lot of them. Marion Jones passed every test.
"Usain Bolt ran 19.93 for 200m at age 17. There's no way that guy's doping"....... That says it all, they have a thrid world testing system and when you are growing is when you get the most gains, Bolt is/was juiced to the gills.
you are right about talent level, but I know I could knock a fair few seconds of Ross's 100m time if I had him for a year.
Pantani died from cocaine abuse
thats not how they work, its not quite less is more, but there are ideal dosages depending on your sport, you dont want water retention or extra unnecessary mass, so taking 2cc's of Winstrol for example, wont make you a better spinter then a guy who takes 200-500mg a week.
ceemec wrote:Personally, I've strong doubts about Bolt. However, the hyperbolic claim that every medal winner who performed impressively is on drugs is utterly laughable. John Treacy claimed silver at the 1984 Olympics in the marathon, pretty much equalling the Olympic record. Not a hope he was on drugs.
If you look at the progression of a lot of world records over that time, the times aren't particularly stunning in a lot of events. The 5,000m world record has come down only about 20 seconds in 30 years. Mo Farah has never posted a time in the top 15 fastest of all time at 10,000m. If these guys were doping, they'd surely be going faster? The fact is that it's simply not a vintage field in the 10,000m event these days.
It's genuinely scary that someone could advocate permitting drug taking in sports given the massive evidence of the damage it does to individuals.
Granted not every medal winner is, I dont know enough about the training programming or drug routines for anything out of certain power/speed ranges so I cant comment, fair enough on the marathons I dont know, but I would suspect they are on some EPO type of drug, maybe Farah isn't and is just lucky to be racing against cr@p. I know for certain 100 to 400 is all drugs, all weightlifting is drugs, mens gymnastics has a lot of drugs.
PED's dont harm people, idiots misusing them do