Ulster Rugby 2013/2014

[simonokeeffe]

Bit much that he quit when we announced "Tallaght Friendly"

he must have bad Setanta Cup memories

IT saying new guy will combine Anscombe and Humphreys roles (implication Blazers will take over some of Humphrey's work)
Presumably that would possibly mean a forwards coach eg Jeremy Davidson coming in too

[Donny B.]

Well I think they can forget about ever signing Gareth Anscombe anyhow

http://www.thescore.ie/gareth-anscombe- ... 7-Jul2014/

[LeRouxIsPHat]

Well I think they can forget about ever signing Gareth Anscombe anyhow

http://www.thescore.ie/gareth-anscombe- ... 7-Jul2014/

If there really are clowns at the top then they might go all out for him.

[Alternative Ulster]

Some of them not too happy with Humps dumping his little bro on them and then pi$$ing off.

[pip14]

Wouldn't be half suprised if Kiss took charge for the year went to the World Cup, came back and stayed with Ulster full time.

BBC has front runners as Graeme Henry and Jake White ....

Wouldn't be suprised either if Muller came back in some capacity, probably as a forwards coach

[simonokeeffe]

Thought Anscombe junior was becoming Welsh?

They should sign Ritchie Incognito as a prop and make him iHumph room with him

Muller would be popular forwards coach but just having moved back, with family, to the farm, dont think it will happen

They'd need serious money for Smiler or Jake White, Wayne Smith is out of contract, Deans has just taken up Japanese job

[blockhead]

Don't they already have a youth development coach with some heino experience?

[paddyor]

Ravenhill Kingspan put your hands together for grand slam and 2 time HEC winning coach Declan Kidney!

[Dave Cahill]

Ravenhill Kingspan put your hands together for grand slam and 2 time HEC winning coach Declan Kidney!

He was offered the job before, but turned it down because it was too far away from home.


Before taking a job in Wales.

[suisse]

Jake White? Who comes up with this sh!t? That man is permanently linked to jobs, irrespective of his own situation. There's no way anyone up north should take this seriously unless they get off seeing their team's name next to a big profile.

[ceemec]

They simply picked the two biggest names they could imagine and printed them. There's not a hope they'll be getting either, I'd have thought.

White quit the Brumbies less than a year ago and took up a high profile job with the Sharks who are having a really strong season and in contention for the S15 title. Why would he consider moving to Belfast for even a second?

Henry is 68 years old and hasn't had a head coaching job since the RWC after which he went into a development role. I would severely doubt he'd have the stomach for coming to Belfast and starting from scratch.

High profile southern hemisphere coaches are almost certainly going to turn their noses up at a northern hemisphere club job unless there's insane money involved. Even then, it's not entirely likely. There's a reason guys like Penney, MOC and Anscombe took our provincial jobs and not guys like Foster, Jones, Rennie or White.

[LeRouxIsPHat]

Rennie was the guy I immediately thought of as someone they should go for, hope you're wrong about how unlikely that is ceemec although I don't think you are.

The more I think about the Kiss appointment the less I like it. If he's just there as a figurehead and sounding board then fair enough, but I'd worry about much else. Defence and attack are already well covered, a forwards coach would surely have made more sense if it was to be someone who was going to have a real impact, cant imagine Bell would be enthused by much else. Wonder if McGlaughlin will be involved again?

[Dave Cahill]

Think the players are back in work on Monday, someone needs to be in charge, Kiss is available. People are reading far too much into his temporary appointment. If hes still there in August I'd be absolutely amazed

[ceemec]

Think the players are back in work on Monday, someone needs to be in charge, Kiss is available. People are reading far too much into his temporary appointment. If hes still there in August I'd be absolutely amazed

Kiss doesn't start with Ulster until July 19th. The impression I got from the release and his appointment was very much that he's going to be there for the time being and Ulster will work on a long term plan with him taking control for now. The statement from Logan "His appointment allows us to recruit for long term success" suggests they're quite happy with him in place now and will bide their time to get the person they want. I wouldn't be surprised to see him there into 2015.

[ceemec]

Rennie was the guy I immediately thought of as someone they should go for, hope you're wrong about how unlikely that is ceemec although I don't think you are.

The more I think about the Kiss appointment the less I like it. If he's just there as a figurehead and sounding board then fair enough, but I'd worry about much else. Defence and attack are already well covered, a forwards coach would surely have made more sense if it was to be someone who was going to have a real impact, cant imagine Bell would be enthused by much else. Wonder if McGlaughlin will be involved again?

Rennie was the guy I wanted for the Irish job. I would say if he was approached for even that job, he would have knocked it back as he's very highly rated in NZ and is the national coach in waiting as long as he pays his dues and bides his time.

I've spoken with a number of Kiwis here and over there and, while they're always respectful of Irish rugby, they generally admit that it's generally not rated in NZ. Coaching here holds very little sway back there in terms of progression; if you want to move up the ladder there, you need to be based there. No All Blacks coach has ever been appointed while based outside of NZ.

McLaughlin will possibly have some involvement in the set up but I would say there's a better chance of Allen Clarke getting the nod. He's a forwards coach, heads up the academy and Ravens and already has a working relationship with the national side and Kiss from his time as high performance manager of the IRFU.

[paddyor]

I've spoken with a number of Kiwis here and over there and, while they're always respectful of Irish rugby, they generally admit that it's generally not rated in NZ. Coaching here holds very little sway back there in terms of progression; if you want to move up the ladder there, you need to be based there. No All Blacks coach has ever been appointed while based outside of NZ.

Your probably right re progression to the BNZ national job and needing to be based there. But both Hansen and Henry coached NH before going home to take up the reins. If Rennie is the coach in waiting then it makes sense for someone else to jump NH while the hot seat is taken for the next 5 years. Don't think it's as black and white as needing to be based there to move up.

Don't know much of S15 but think the guy they're looking for/can get is probably a part of a coaching ticket with a specialism reather than a head coach.

[ceemec]

While Henry and Hansen both coached abroad, both were back based in NZ when they got the top job. Henry had a ridiculously good CV and was back as the technical adviser for the Blues (winning yet another title). Nobody aside from himself and Mitchell applied for the job. Hansen had done 7 years as assistant to Henry and was a shoe in.

While I'm sure you can move up, it really does hinder your ability to get posts. Warren Gatland was a three time AP winner, a HEC winner and former international coach when he went back to NZ and he couldn't get anything more than an NPC job in his 3 years back there. He'd have earned a S15 job is he stuck around I'm sure but you have to pay your dues there to get a job. I believe they treat coaching like players. If you leave New Zealand, you close the door on opportunities and set yourself way back. The guys who leave have either been passed over (Penney) or aren't too successful after getting a shot (Lam).

If Rennie is coach in waiting, I genuinely believe other guys like Jamie Joseph would hang on to become part of the staff. Ian Foster did a good job with the Chiefs and left it to take the back up job to Hansen. Being part of the NZ national set up is huge to them.

There are guys that Ulster can convince but they won't be able to offer the massive money to attract established head coaches. They might be able to get someone like Pat Lam or Mark Hammett who struggled as S15 coaches or, as you say, a specialist backroom coach who could step up. The top NPC coaches could be swayed if they're passed over for a big job (as was the case with Plumtree and Penney).

[Morf]

Tana Umaga?

Doing well with Counties Manukau seemingly.

Being lined up medium term for Canes though.

[LeRouxIsPHat]

BOD hasn't been retired a wet week and you're already thinking about giving that Umaga chap a job up the road?!

[JB1973]

Dean Richards (bloodgate aside) has a good record as a head coach and is an expert on forward play.

Ulster is a big step up the career ladder from Newcastle , I'd have thought Ulster would be a big attraction for most coaches.

Good salary, taking over a good team, good budget to spend lots of potential for growth plus Belfast is a good city to live in and the surrounding areas are very scenic.

I can't see a few successful years overseas in Europe damaging anyone Super rugby coaches long term future, I think the Gatland not getting a super rugby job thing maybe down to a personality clash more than his talent or record as a coach