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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby Peg Leg » January 26th, 2020, 4:53 pm

Listened to Birch on the 42. Hard to disagree with his reasoning on the harshness of the sanctions. Very pragmatic viewpoint with the players future's and coaches responsibility at the heart of it
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby cormac » January 26th, 2020, 5:54 pm

Peg Leg wrote:Listened to Birch on the 42. Hard to disagree with his reasoning on the harshness of the sanctions. Very pragmatic viewpoint with the players future's and coaches responsibility at the heart of it


He seemed to completely forget that the relegation is due to them being caught three times for salary cap breaches. First time when they and one other club got a wrap over the knuckles in 2015, second time being the Dyson report in November for the previous three seasons and finally for admitting they were breaching it again this season despite only six weeks earlier saying they weren't.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby ronk » January 26th, 2020, 7:33 pm

They just shipped a big loss to Quins.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby Hornet » January 26th, 2020, 8:42 pm

ronk wrote:They just shipped a big loss to Quins.


Ref had a problem with the Sarries Captain as well. (Might have been because of his surname).

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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby blockhead » January 28th, 2020, 10:51 am

French outfit Midi-Olympique report that English Premiership side Bath have offered Joe Schmidt the role of head coach "with immediate effect".
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby Ruckedtobits » January 28th, 2020, 12:17 pm

Brian Moore, solicitor by training and long-time rugby columnist of the Daily Torygraph is now hidden behind an annoying pay-wall and hence is read a lot less often than before. However, he still tends to be one of the most astute commentators on the English rugby scene and his views on the current status of the Sarries saga are worthy of consideration. His top 10 legal and PR pieces of advice to Sarries re the "Salary Cap" story are as follows:

    Do not claim regulations you scrutinised and agreed to abide by are now illegal, especially when your two main witnesses contradict that submission;
    Do not claim the cap hinders you in Europe when you are three-time and current winners. That submission, added to your claim that you were within the cap, means you either were not being truthful, or the point is nonsense;
    Do not submit a witness statement on claimed matters of fact that appears to be largely a cut and paste from the testimony of another person (as then chief executive Mitesh Velani did);
    Do not allege a main witness (Mark McCafferty) is untruthful and some evidence is inaccurate if you cannot prove it. This undermines asserations on other issues;
    Do not angrily say one of the most respected judges in England got it wrong because your legal advisers tell you so. His opinion is what matters and theirs has been confounded;
    Do not threaten to appeal and then fail to do so. It look weak and lessens the impact of any later threats;
    Do not selectively brief supposedly supportive journalists. I do not care: it makes no difference to my opinion and my job does not require this, but most do, and they will not give you the benefit of the doubt when they later write;
    Do not assume the full report may not become publicly available. If you make claims about what it said you will be judged accordingly;
    Do not contend the phrase "not deliberate" means the panel thought you have acted innocently. The judgement was very critical of you and rules that you acted recklessly and your behaviour was egregious;
    Do not initially refuse to apologise and then later apologise. Nobody believes it is sincere and it suggests that you knew you were wrong but did not have the courage to admit it - that, or your values are awry;

His single piece of positive advice was:

Do apologise as fully and early as you can and take your punishment without complaint and certainly without claiming you have been hard done to, when you know the panel did you a favour and halved the agreed sanctions.

Given the source of these comments, I consider that they shed an important perspective on this entire matter.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby MylesNaGapoleen » January 28th, 2020, 12:29 pm

ronk wrote:They just shipped a big loss to Quins.


looking at their team sheet it was their seconds...most of their players on the special salary were away on 6N duty.

We will, without doubt, meet a side that will have all their focus on winning the champions cup this season before they get relegated.
Despite details emerging that the players were very much aware of the "special arrangements", they still see it has having done nothing wrong and I guess will do their best against us.

Should be a cracking game...and a big test for us. Home advantage will help, but, I think we should brace ourselves for the "poor victim" and "everyone is against us" headspace they will be in.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby Ruckedtobits » January 28th, 2020, 12:47 pm

MylesNaGapoleen wrote:
ronk wrote:They just shipped a big loss to Quins.


looking at their team sheet it was their seconds...most of their players on the special salary were away on 6N duty.

We will, without doubt, meet a side that will have all their focus on winning the champions cup this season before they get relegated.
Despite details emerging that the players were very much aware of the "special arrangements", they still see it has having done nothing wrong and I guess will do their best against us.

Should be a cracking game...and a big test for us. Home advantage will help, but, I think we should brace ourselves for the "poor victim" and "everyone is against us" headspace they will be in.


That outlook is being laughed out of court by the English rugby media and Social Media generally. There is little or no sympathy for the Sarries players as more specific details have emerged about the details of the deal regarding Itoje's Image Rights and some of the property transactions emerge.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby blockhead » January 28th, 2020, 4:26 pm

Ed Griffiths has resigned as Saracens interim chief executive, less than a month after returning to the club
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby Dave Cahill » January 28th, 2020, 4:35 pm

My money is on Mark McCafferty to take over - if theres an organisation f%~king things up somewhere, Marky Mc has to be in there somewhere
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby locho » January 28th, 2020, 4:38 pm

blockhead wrote:Ed Griffiths has resigned as Saracens interim chief executive, less than a month after returning to the club


seemingly had to resign due to be under investigation for acting as an unauthorised player agent while employed by Middlesex Cricket!! These guys are hillarious!! :clap: :clap:
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby MylesNaGapoleen » January 28th, 2020, 4:59 pm

locho wrote:
blockhead wrote:Ed Griffiths has resigned as Saracens interim chief executive, less than a month after returning to the club


seemingly had to resign due to be under investigation for acting as an unauthorised player agent while employed by Middlesex Cricket!! These guys are hillarious!! :clap: :clap:

jayziz! are there any more wheels that can fall off that shambles?
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby blockhead » January 28th, 2020, 8:29 pm

Saracens have been docked a further 70 points to ensure the already-relegated club will finish last in the Premiership table.
The sanction is on top of the separate 35-point deduction imposed in November
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby ChrisUppy » January 28th, 2020, 9:51 pm

blockhead wrote:Ed Griffiths has resigned as Saracens interim chief executive, less than a month after returning to the club

Luke Pearce has appointed Manu Vunipola the new CEO.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby paddyor » January 28th, 2020, 11:10 pm

blockhead wrote:Saracens have been docked a further 70 points to ensure the already-relegated club will finish last in the Premiership table.
The sanction is on top of the separate 35-point deduction imposed in November


:lol:

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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby hugonaut » January 29th, 2020, 7:48 am

ChrisUppy wrote:
blockhead wrote:Ed Griffiths has resigned as Saracens interim chief executive, less than a month after returning to the club

Luke Pearce has appointed Manu Vunipola the new CEO.


Under-rated gag

They really are a club coming unstuck at the seams. This is a further deduction of 70 points, i.e. they have had 105pts deducted [source: https://www.premiershiprugby.com/news/u ... rugby-club ].

Table: https://www.premiershiprugby.com/gallag ... hip/#table
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby MylesNaGapoleen » January 29th, 2020, 10:41 am

hugonaut wrote:
ChrisUppy wrote:
blockhead wrote:Ed Griffiths has resigned as Saracens interim chief executive, less than a month after returning to the club

Luke Pearce has appointed Manu Vunipola the new CEO.


Under-rated gag

They really are a club coming unstuck at the seams. This is a further deduction of 70 points, i.e. they have had 105pts deducted [source: https://www.premiershiprugby.com/news/u ... rugby-club ].

Table: https://www.premiershiprugby.com/gallag ... hip/#table


incredible. only a matter if time before they have to hand back their premiership trophies? I know it wasn't part of the salary cap rules at the moment (premiership rugby are changing that in future - significant breaches like this will mean trophies returned) but it seems like the only decent thing to do now.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby Dave Cahill » January 29th, 2020, 10:46 am

Hasn't a deal been done where they are allowed keep the trophies as long as they aren't displayed anywhere public?
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby neill_m » January 29th, 2020, 11:02 am

Dave Cahill wrote:Hasn't a deal been done where they are allowed keep the trophies as long as they aren't displayed anywhere public?


Indeed

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sara ... -z30ln5l8c
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby blockhead » January 29th, 2020, 11:19 am

neill_m wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote:Hasn't a deal been done where they are allowed keep the trophies as long as they aren't displayed anywhere public?


Indeed

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sara ... -z30ln5l8c


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What's the punishment if they display them?
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