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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby ribs » December 23rd, 2018, 10:04 pm

Ruckedtobits wrote:Prem Rugby have agreed sale of 27% of their Company to CVC for Stg£200. Limited details but strange deal. Usually you only sell a % below that which can block a takeover (c.26.4%), or you do a deal for a stake of roughly 49%, with a premium for going over 51%.

No details, so hard to tell. Plenty of platitudes from Ian Richie (no conflicts of interest) that RFU are supportive of the deal which will benefit all levels of English Rugby and bring the game to a wider audience - or at least that's what I expecthim to say. McCafferty has pleated on about the "Investment" destined for infrastructure as we have Salary Cap in place for a further two years.

Premiership Rugby and RFU deserve each other. Neither cares about success or the future development of the game, only about Money, Money, Money.

I’m still not clear what CVC get in return? Means premiership is valued at about gbp 800m
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby rooster » December 24th, 2018, 12:05 am

ribs wrote:
Ruckedtobits wrote:Prem Rugby have agreed sale of 27% of their Company to CVC for Stg£200. Limited details but strange deal. Usually you only sell a % below that which can block a takeover (c.26.4%), or you do a deal for a stake of roughly 49%, with a premium for going over 51%.

No details, so hard to tell. Plenty of platitudes from Ian Richie (no conflicts of interest) that RFU are supportive of the deal which will benefit all levels of English Rugby and bring the game to a wider audience - or at least that's what I expecthim to say. McCafferty has pleated on about the "Investment" destined for infrastructure as we have Salary Cap in place for a further two years.

Premiership Rugby and RFU deserve each other. Neither cares about success or the future development of the game, only about Money, Money, Money.

I’m still not clear what CVC get in return? Means premiership is valued at about gbp 800m
Minus what they all owe which probably means they are probably worth feck all squared
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby ribs » December 24th, 2018, 9:12 pm

So cvc get their guaranteed minimum share of the income first each year, the clubs divide up the rest. Works well if income is growing but a real problem if it is shrinking
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby ronk » December 24th, 2018, 11:34 pm

ribs wrote:So cvc get their guaranteed minimum share of the income first each year, the clubs divide up the rest. Works well if income is growing but a real problem if it is shrinking


Sounds more like how a loan works except that it lets owners cash out.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby Dave Cahill » January 14th, 2019, 10:32 am

Griquas and Pumas are the next cabs on the Pro14 rank is what I'm hearing - next season or the season after next
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby rooster » January 14th, 2019, 12:51 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:Griquas and Pumas are the next cabs on the Pro14 rank is what I'm hearing - next season or the season after next
I like the sound of that actually
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby Dave Cahill » January 14th, 2019, 12:57 pm

There are reports in SA that if negotiations between the Pro14, Union and the teams proceed as scheduled then they'll enter next seasons Celtic Cup as a precursor to joining the Pro14 the following season
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby rooster » January 15th, 2019, 12:01 am

Dave Cahill wrote:There are reports in SA that if negotiations between the Pro14, Union and the teams proceed as scheduled then they'll enter next seasons Celtic Cup as a precursor to joining the Pro14 the following season
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby paddyor » January 15th, 2019, 12:14 am

rooster wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote:Griquas and Pumas are the next cabs on the Pro14 rank is what I'm hearing - next season or the season after next
I like the sound of that actually

I don't. Brings us up to 26 rounds of Pro14 unless we bin off the extra interpros. We don't need extra games against sub standard opposition.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby johng » January 15th, 2019, 12:19 am

The whole point is more teams less games. Will be a few rounds shaved off. Not added on.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby rooster » January 15th, 2019, 1:06 am

paddyor wrote:
rooster wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote:Griquas and Pumas are the next cabs on the Pro14 rank is what I'm hearing - next season or the season after next
I like the sound of that actually

I don't. Brings us up to 26 rounds of Pro14 unless we bin off the extra interpros. We don't need extra games against sub standard opposition.
I was hoping that they might start taking it more seriously with4 side a and improve their quality
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby paddyor » January 15th, 2019, 2:07 am

johng wrote:The whole point is more teams less games. Will be a few rounds shaved off. Not added on.

Where do you shave the games though in an 8 team conf?(presumably). Are we really gonna give up the Aviva game vs Munster once every 2 years? I can't see it. Will the Welsh give up their derbies?You'd need some convoluted soup method of doing ti.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby johng » January 15th, 2019, 8:54 am

There are loads of ways they could slice and dice it. While preserving the darbys.
The way I've heard it is that there will be less games not more.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby ronk » January 15th, 2019, 9:37 am

3 extra games per 2 new teams with conferences in current structure. 4 for a straight league.

NFL has 16 games for 32 teams over 17 weekends.

Simplest way to not increase games is to remove some of the in-conference (non-derby) double-headers; round robin or (negative) seeding formula.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby rooster » January 15th, 2019, 1:56 pm

ronk wrote:3 extra games per 2 new teams with conferences in current structure. 4 for a straight league.

NFL has 16 games for 32 teams over 17 weekends.

Simplest way to not increase games is to remove some of the in-conference (non-derby) double-headers; round robin or (negative) seeding formula.
Even better get it up to 20 and have an A league and B league with 2 up 2 down each season these conferences are cr@p in my opinion.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby ronk » January 15th, 2019, 8:10 pm

Pro 12 was 22 games + 2 playoffs,
HC 6 games + 3 knockouts. Total 28 - 33 games

A full league pro16 is 30 games + playoffs or extra international. We’d have a backup if the HC was under threat again.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby neill_m » January 15th, 2019, 9:18 pm

ronk wrote:Pro 12 was 22 games + 2 playoffs,
HC 6 games + 3 knockouts. Total 28 - 33 games

A full league pro16 is 30 games + playoffs or extra international. We’d have a backup if the HC was under threat again.


An alternative Pro 16 is 4 pools of 4 around location (Irish, Welsh, SA etc). H&A v local sides + play the other 12 once. 18 game season.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby ronk » January 15th, 2019, 10:21 pm

A short season causes problems for Leinster in RDS, Munster in Cork and hurts investments in Ulster and Connacht.

Others probably can live with more attention on less games.
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Re: Aviva Premiership: something exciting happens

Postby ronk » January 15th, 2019, 10:27 pm

Oh and that pool structure would lead to unbalanced playoffs.

The Pro14 gives a harder fixture list to the Irish provinces (worst for Connacht) but it’s been manageable and has probably increased competition overall.
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