Wasps Petition.

[Dave Cahill]

I must be stupid but how is this going to make money for Richardson? He will get 3-5000 fans into the stadium for around 15 matches a year? How will that cover the mortgage?
Is it a property play? Is it the future capital for corporate hospitality?

Coventry City FC. Thats his end game

[BlueArmyOriginal]

I must be stupid but how is this going to make money for Richardson? He will get 3-5000 fans into the stadium for around 15 matches a year? How will that cover the mortgage?
Is it a property play? Is it the future capital for corporate hospitality?

Coventry City FC. Thats his end game

This. Wasps fans should read the story of Dave Whelan and Orrell RFC for a good bet as to what'll happen next. Also the stadium includes a casino, conference centre and a hotel so apparently they can basically play behind closed doors and still make money.

I'm with munsterboy. Screw them. If you cheer on your club's management as they spend 2 years trying to put Celtic/Italian rugby, and by extension the 6Nations out of business for greed and then your club's management moves your club 100miles away out of greed you're not gonna get much sympathy from me.

[Xanthippe]

Just picked up a room with pitch view at this place : De Vere Venues At The Ricoh Arena , this new competition is certainly different.

Did you check the terms and conditions - you have to be out of the room by about 10am on match days as the rooms are turned into corporate boxes. You also ned to look at the time for checking in which, depending on the match time, can be quite late at night.

I was all ready to book there too and then I spotted the conditions....



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Please note check-in and check-out times vary on nights prior to a football match and the night of a football match:

Night prior to a football match,check-out time is 8:00am

Night of a football match check in times:
12:00 kick-off, check-in 17:00
15:00 kick-off, check-in 20:00.
19:45 kick-off, check-in 23:30.

Should your reservation fall or on a match day or a match falls during your stay you will have to check out and check in according to the times above.

[footrush]

Just picked up a room with pitch view at this place : De Vere Venues At The Ricoh Arena , this new competition is certainly different.

Did you check the terms and conditions - you have to be out of the room by about 10am on match days as the rooms are turned into corporate boxes. You also ned to look at the time for checking in which, depending on the match time, can be quite late at night.

I was all ready to book there too and then I spotted the conditions....



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Yep if it's Saturday will stay in bar till it's ready after game if sun will get up have breakfast stay in bar till game. If fri am decked can't make it. Stayed in some interesting places never by a pitch. Was here before for Saracens Munster semi never goin to stay in Coventry City again.

Please note check-in and check-out times vary on nights prior to a football match and the night of a football match:

Night prior to a football match,check-out time is 8:00am

Night of a football match check in times:
12:00 kick-off, check-in 17:00
15:00 kick-off, check-in 20:00.
19:45 kick-off, check-in 23:30.

Should your reservation fall or on a match day or a match falls during your stay you will have to check out and check in according to the times above.

[JohnB]

Is it wrong that I'm deriving quite a bit of malicious pleasure at the lather of indignation which Beckenham Wasp has worked himself into on the Drunken Wasps MB concerning the move to Coventry?

[domhnallj]

Is it wrong that I'm deriving quite a bit of malicious pleasure at the lather of indignation which Beckenham Wasp has worked himself into on the Drunken Wasps MB concerning the move to Coventry?

Nope. Not providing a link so we can observe is though.

[Hornet]

Is it wrong that I'm deriving quite a bit of malicious pleasure at the lather of indignation which Beckenham Wasp has worked himself into on the Drunken Wasps MB concerning the move to Coventry?

He is some character!

[Hornet]

Is it wrong that I'm deriving quite a bit of malicious pleasure at the lather of indignation which Beckenham Wasp has worked himself into on the Drunken Wasps MB concerning the move to Coventry?

Nope. Not providing a link so we can observe is though.

Good news. Beckenham Wasp became an ex Wasps RFC fan at the end of today's game against Bath. He is off to watch Wasps FC, the amateur RU club based in Acton, West London. I don't think his contributions will be missed on this forum.

[paddyor]

Well I can tell you one thing. They won't be Wasps any more no matter how much people try and delude themselves. Certainly not when the players are permanently based up there, their catchment area is transferred to the Midlands, they leave the Middlesex RFU and their links with Wasps FC become non-existent. Just like any club moving 100 miles away from where it has existed for 150 years.

The franchise could well flourish but it has little or no meaning any more. Little or no relevance any more. In 10 years time you will barely have a born and bred Londoner or Home Countier playing for them.

Seriously who cares? You might as well support Manchester Utd, the New York Yankees or the Dallas Cowboys. Or Saracens for that matter! All rich and successful but of little or no relevance to me.

People need to wake up to the fact that everything has changed and the relocation is likely to be the thin end of a very fat wedge. Everything is up for grabs with little care for the past. Location, name, club colours, where the players are from, where the supporters are from.

That is fine. The Franchise wants to and needs to survive just don't try and con people into telling them it is for their own benefit and the benefit of the greater good when it patently isn't for the vast majority of the long term and existing supporters.

http://www.rugbynetwork.net/boards/read/s96.htm?98,14939253,page=1
We did point this out to him didn't we. Actually having read some of that I do feel some sympathy for some of the fans but not him.

[mikey]

One has to wonder if Coventry Council credit checked Wasps before they sold them the stadium - i'd be worried about their ability to pay given debts of over 14 million.....the whole thing is a mess and I do feel sorry for long term fans, or indeed fans who have been following them since their move to HW. But as others have said, the English Premiere league seems intent on trying to destroy the traditional idea of what rugby is all about, as has been shown with the HCup debacle. No one seemed to care in the English press about the harm to the celtic nations that was on the cards, yet writers like Stephen Jones deplore the Wasps move - oh the irony.

[mikerob]

We did point this out to him didn't we. Actually having read some of that I do feel some sympathy for some of the fans but not him.

Yup, a common theme in debate about European competition was how the English clubs needed to look after their own interests. What we have seen with Wasps is just a logical extension of this.

[footrush]

We did point this out to him didn't we. Actually having read some of that I do feel some sympathy for some of the fans but not him.

Yup, a common theme in debate about European competition was how the English clubs needed to look after their own interests. What we have seen with Wasps is just a logical extension of this.

This is so true, still find it very hard not to feel sorry for the many genuine wasps fans that I have come across over the years.

[mikerob]

I live in West London and used to go and watch Wasps when they played at QPR as it was very easy for me to get to. I couldn't be bothered going to Adams Park. I used to watch their games as a neutral, hoping to see a good game without caring too much about who won but I do know a number of long term fans and they are all pretty shell shocked at the moment.

I'm not surprised as what Wasps did has been common theme with English professional rugby. London Irish went to Reading, London Welsh went to Oxford, Wasps just went about 20 or so miles further.

It will be interesting to see what the likes of LI and LW do now. I don't think LW is sustainable anyway, but will LI stay at Reading? A ground share doesn't look like a long term answer, getting your own ground is very, very difficult in the SE of England and needs a lot of support from local government.

[The Doc]

I haven't heard mention of West Ham's football ground - I believe the plan for them is to move to the Olympic stadium - is their ground a viable possibility for anyone (it might be quite tight in terms of the pitch)

[Hornet]

I haven't heard mention of West Ham's football ground - I believe the plan for them is to move to the Olympic stadium - is their ground a viable possibility for anyone (it might be quite tight in terms of the pitch)

I have heard also that QPR are looking at building a Stadium at Old Oak Common, about a mile to the north of Loftus Road. The new stadium, (if built) would only be a couple of miles away to the east from Twyford Avenue, which is the home of Wasps FC, Wasps RFC amateur partners. My vague memories of working in Acton in the late 70's was that Twyford Avenue had a large enough area of space to expand into for a future stadium. (Looking on Google Maps this seems to be confirmed). It sould like the seeds of Wasps RFC demise as a London club were sown when they opted to move to Loftus Road, rather than organically grow their support using the facility at Twyford Avenue. You sow the seeds, you reap the reward.

[simonokeeffe]

I haven't heard mention of West Ham's football ground - I believe the plan for them is to move to the Olympic stadium - is their ground a viable possibility for anyone (it might be quite tight in terms of the pitch)

I have heard also that QPR are looking at building a Stadium at Old Oak Common, about a mile to the north of Loftus Road. The new stadium, (if built) would only be a couple of miles away to the east from Twyford Avenue, which is the home of Wasps FC, Wasps RFC amateur partners. My vague memories of working in Acton in the late 70's was that Twyford Avenue had a large enough area of space to expand into for a future stadium. (Looking on Google Maps this seems to be confirmed). It sould like the seeds of Wasps RFC demise as a London club were sown when they opted to move to Loftus Road, rather than organically grow their support using the facility at Twyford Avenue. You sow the seeds, you reap the reward.

had West Ham sold the ground to developers or anything though?

[mikerob]

A QPR stadium at Old Oak Common is still very much blue sky at this stage - QPR don't even own land there but are lobbying for a stadium to be part of a major redevelopment of the area but this will be in the 2020s. QPR don't have a good record of ground sharing given they kicked Wasps out of Loftus Road anyway.

Brentford's new stadium has actually got planning permission and this will be just a mile away from Wasps training ground in Acton. In the Q&A session following the announcement of the move to Coventry, the question was asked about a ground share with Brentford and the response was that Brentford's terms did not suit Wasps. I don't know if Brentford need a ground share so maybe they weren't that bothered about negotiating terms.

I would be dubious about the possibility of developing Twyford Avenue. There would be great resistance for development green space within the boundary of the North/South Circular. Brentford and Old Oak Common is development of existing derelict land and Saracens ground is much further out.

There was talk about building a small new stadium out in Wycombe but this got shot down by the local council. There was quite a lot of local objection - it may have been typical NIMBYs but there are 2 sides to every story. In contrast, the local council were very supportive of the new Brentford stadium as they wanted to keep a football team in the borough.

[Hornet]

I haven't heard mention of West Ham's football ground - I believe the plan for them is to move to the Olympic stadium - is their ground a viable possibility for anyone (it might be quite tight in terms of the pitch)

I have heard also that QPR are looking at building a Stadium at Old Oak Common, about a mile to the north of Loftus Road. The new stadium, (if built) would only be a couple of miles away to the east from Twyford Avenue, which is the home of Wasps FC, Wasps RFC amateur partners. My vague memories of working in Acton in the late 70's was that Twyford Avenue had a large enough area of space to expand into for a future stadium. (Looking on Google Maps this seems to be confirmed). It sould like the seeds of Wasps RFC demise as a London club were sown when they opted to move to Loftus Road, rather than organically grow their support using the facility at Twyford Avenue. You sow the seeds, you reap the reward.

had West Ham sold the ground to developers or anything though?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-26119697

[Hornet]

A QPR stadium at Old Oak Common is still very much blue sky at this stage - QPR don't even own land there but are lobbying for a stadium to be part of a major redevelopment of the area but this will be in the 2020s. QPR don't have a good record of ground sharing given they kicked Wasps out of Loftus Road anyway.

Brentford's new stadium has actually got planning permission and this will be just a mile away from Wasps training ground in Acton. In the Q&A session following the announcement of the move to Coventry, the question was asked about a ground share with Brentford and the response was that Brentford's terms did not suit Wasps. I don't know if Brentford need a ground share so maybe they weren't that bothered about negotiating terms.

I would be dubious about the possibility of developing Twyford Avenue. There would be great resistance for development green space within the boundary of the North/South Circular. Brentford and Old Oak Common is development of existing derelict land and Saracens ground is much further out.

There was talk about building a small new stadium out in Wycombe but this got shot down by the local council. There was quite a lot of local objection - it may have been typical NIMBYs but there are 2 sides to every story. In contrast, the local council were very supportive of the new Brentford stadium as they wanted to keep a football team in the borough.

The saga of the Stadium at Booker Aerodrome (on the ridge to the South of High Wycombe) is well documented in the Local Press. As well as the NIMBY's, there was concerns that the Stadium and the housing development that went with it would impinge on the vista of the Chiltern Hills, (an area designated as an area of Outstanding Natural Beauty). High Wycombe, being hidden in a valley cannot be seen from the hills overlooking the the River Thames.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/erichardyuk/518177406/

The White dot on the ridge, on the skyline to the left of the picture are buildings in the Booker area. Wycombe is the other side of the ridge around 4K from the point at which the photo is taken. The view, if the photographer had taken the shot further to the left would have included Marlow and, on the ridge above it, the proposed Wasps/Wycombe Wanderers Stadium.

If it had of gone ahead it would have been the third stadium to house Wycombe Wanderers that i know of. The first was in the Town Centre, close to the Hospital. (The ground was famous for its sloping nature, akin to Yeovil Town's ground, as it was built into the side of a hill). The Stadium was moved to Adams Park when the original ground was sold for redevelopment. One of the reasons for siting it where it is was it was away from residential areas and football fans could be shepherded off of trains and on to buses to avoid them being in the Town Centre. Also there was a link road from the M40, which again kept visiting coach bound supporters away from the Town Centre. It's not very accessable, but when designed and built, it didn't take into account that Rugby may one day be played there. A company that I worked for, for many years, had a box at Adams Park, but that was before the arrival of Wasps.

There was also talk of a ground at Beaconsfield, but that was about as far as it got. It would have been built close to the M40, opposite the new service station at Beaconsfield.

[simonokeeffe]

From BBC

Wasps director of rugby Dai Young

"I wasn't surprised by the lack of protests, to be quite honest.

"One thing that has jumped out at me is how intelligent our supporters are.


wasps seem keen to really alienate people