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Re: European Champions Cup [Most Improved]

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Re: European Champions Cup [Most Improved]

Postby BlueBlue » February 9th, 2018, 3:26 pm

Just so you know, EPCR are doing a great job.

http://www.epcrugby.com/europeanrugbych ... n2rW6hl9Pa
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Re: European Champions Cup [Most Improved]

Postby rooster » February 9th, 2018, 4:34 pm

BlueBlue wrote:Just so you know, EPCR are doing a great job.

http://www.epcrugby.com/europeanrugbych ... n2rW6hl9Pa
Higher tax rate there, then again when you struggle to get sponsors you don't make any taxable income
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Re: European Champions Cup [Most Improved]

Postby Sionnach » February 9th, 2018, 4:41 pm

BlueBlue wrote:Just so you know, EPCR are doing a great job.

http://www.epcrugby.com/europeanrugbych ... n2rW6hl9Pa

Lausanne is exempt from Swiss anticorruption laws. Also headquarters of the IOC.

More details of why sports federations often house themselves in Lausanne:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/23/spor ... ruits.html
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Re: European Champions Cup [Most Improved]

Postby simonokeeffe » March 15th, 2018, 10:15 am

Full article behind paywall but Torygraph says TV3 &CH4 will be showing live games, at least one each per round, next season
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Re: European Champions Cup [Not Improved]

Postby Oldschool » March 15th, 2018, 12:48 pm

You'd wonder how much this move is costing and why it wasn't done in the first place, when HQ was moved from Dublin to Switzerland.
You'd wonder abiut exchange rate costs too.
You'd also wonder about the lease and associated costs.
Have the EPCR made a profit ever and how much.
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Re: European Champions Cup [Most Improved]

Postby cormac » March 15th, 2018, 5:00 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:Full article behind paywall but Torygraph says TV3 &CH4 will be showing live games, at least one each per round, next season


Hopefully not the same match.
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Re: European Champions Cup [Most Improved]

Postby simonokeeffe » March 15th, 2018, 6:15 pm

cormac wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:Full article behind paywall but Torygraph says TV3 &CH4 will be showing live games, at least one each per round, next season


Hopefully not the same match.


they are just evil enough to do that

one good thing about Ulster not qualifying probably means we wont get their crappy games :)
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Re: European Champions Cup [Most Improved]

Postby nc6000 » March 15th, 2018, 10:58 pm

I think it's safe to assume that any big games will only be live on the pay channels.
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Re: European Champions Cup [Most Improved]

Postby Made Of Ale » March 16th, 2018, 1:20 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:
one good thing about Ulster not qualifying probably means we wont get their crappy games :)


Your comment prompted me to check the qualification rules. I think this could easily turn into a bit of a mess:
http://www.epcrugby.com/europeanrugbych ... /index.php

For the Pro14, the top three in each conference qualify automatically, and the last place is decided by a play-off between the fourth place teams in each conference. Fine so far.

But, South African teams aren't counted, so presuming The Cheetahs finish in the top three in Conference A, fourth place (currently Cardiff) would go through automatically.

So, the play-off would be between the fifth place team in Conference A (currently Connacht) and the fourth place in Conference B (Ulster/Edinburgh). I suppose...

But, there's also the qualification route via the Challenge Cup - essentially the best performing team not already qualified. So you could have Connacht or Cardiff qualifying directly from that. Or they could be involved in the play-off between the losing semi-finalists that is specifically mentioned in the qualification rules.

So that means that the Pro14 play-off could be between sixth place in Conference A (currently Ospreys) and Ulster/Edinburgh.
Or, Cardiff/ Connacht could be eligible for two play-offs (Pro14 and Challenge Cup semi-finalists).

I presume the EPCR have thought of all this and have a well-thought out plan in place for all eventualities. Or else they'll just say fourth place in Conference B goes straight through. SUFTUM!
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Re: European Champions Cup [Most Improved]

Postby simonokeeffe » March 16th, 2018, 1:49 pm

Theres some reason posited too why EPCR dont want SA teams in there too or am I misremembering a post?

Ideally all 4 get in but Leinster and Munster will be kept by BT for themselves
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Re: European Champions Cup [Most Improved]

Postby neill_m » March 16th, 2018, 2:30 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:Theres some reason posited too why EPCR dont want SA teams in there too or am I misremembering a post?

Ideally all 4 get in but Leinster and Munster will be kept by BT for themselves


Last I read, there will be talks in the summer with the aim of the South Africans being eligible to qualify from 2018/19 and entering it from 2019/20.
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Re: European Champions Cup [Most Improved]

Postby neill_m » March 16th, 2018, 2:44 pm

Made Of Ale wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:
one good thing about Ulster not qualifying probably means we wont get their crappy games :)


Your comment prompted me to check the qualification rules. I think this could easily turn into a bit of a mess:
http://www.epcrugby.com/europeanrugbych ... /index.php

For the Pro14, the top three in each conference qualify automatically, and the last place is decided by a play-off between the fourth place teams in each conference. Fine so far.

But, South African teams aren't counted, so presuming The Cheetahs finish in the top three in Conference A, fourth place (currently Cardiff) would go through automatically.

So, the play-off would be between the fifth place team in Conference A (currently Connacht) and the fourth place in Conference B (Ulster/Edinburgh). I suppose...

But, there's also the qualification route via the Challenge Cup - essentially the best performing team not already qualified. So you could have Connacht or Cardiff qualifying directly from that. Or they could be involved in the play-off between the losing semi-finalists that is specifically mentioned in the qualification rules.

So that means that the Pro14 play-off could be between sixth place in Conference A (currently Ospreys) and Ulster/Edinburgh.
Or, Cardiff/ Connacht could be eligible for two play-offs (Pro14 and Challenge Cup semi-finalists).

I presume the EPCR have thought of all this and have a well-thought out plan in place for all eventualities. Or else they'll just say fourth place in Conference B goes straight through. SUFTUM!


I asked the Pro 14 when their playoff would be and got the usual wall of silence.

The 20th Euro place will go to:

i) Champions Cup winner, if not already qualified - Clermont/La Rochelle currently outside the Euro spots via the T14
ii) Challenge Cup winner, if not already qualified - Brive, Stade and Connacht currently outside the Euro spots
iii) Challenge Cup losing finalist, if not already qualified - Brive, Stade and Connacht currently outside the Euro spots
iv) Play-off match between the losing Challenge Cup semi-finalists, if not already qualified - Brive, Stade and Connacht currently outside the Euro spots
v) Highest ranked non-qualified club by virtue of league position from the same league as the Champions Cup winner
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Re: European Champions Cup [Most Improved]

Postby simonokeeffe » March 16th, 2018, 3:11 pm

neill_m wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:Theres some reason posited too why EPCR dont want SA teams in there too or am I misremembering a post?

Ideally all 4 get in but Leinster and Munster will be kept by BT for themselves


Last I read, there will be talks in the summer with the aim of the South Africans being eligible to qualify from 2018/19 and entering it from 2019/20.


Thanks. Youd think sponsors, sorry tournament partners, would be foaming at the mouth over getting SA in too. TV companies too

Only downside is away games would be a pain in the ass and thered have to be sympathetic fixture scheduling. Can see French sides sending espoirs and English clubs blaming it for anything that goes wrong in their season
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Re: European Champions Cup [Most Improved]

Postby Peg Leg » March 16th, 2018, 3:41 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:
neill_m wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:Theres some reason posited too why EPCR dont want SA teams in there too or am I misremembering a post?

Ideally all 4 get in but Leinster and Munster will be kept by BT for themselves


Last I read, there will be talks in the summer with the aim of the South Africans being eligible to qualify from 2018/19 and entering it from 2019/20.


Thanks. Youd think sponsors, sorry tournament partners, would be foaming at the mouth over getting SA in too. TV companies too

Only downside is away games would be a pain in the ass and thered have to be sympathetic fixture scheduling. Can see French sides sending espoirs and English clubs blaming it for anything that goes wrong in their season
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Re: European Champions Cup [Most Improved]

Postby kermischocolate » March 16th, 2018, 9:49 pm

Made Of Ale wrote:I presume the EPCR have thought of all this and have a well-thought out plan in place for all eventualities. Or else they'll just say fourth place in Conference B goes straight through. SUFTUM!


Hahahahahahahahahaha :shock:
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Re: European Champions Cup [Most Improved]

Postby Lar » March 21st, 2018, 4:34 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:Full article behind paywall but Torygraph says TV3 &CH4 will be showing live games, at least one each per round, next season


In the group stages they might get some 'ordinary' games but apparently they are guaranteed at least one live match per knock out round also. That means one of the quarters and one of the semis both of which would presumably be tasty enough. BT apparently happy to do it in order to increase the profile and visibility of the competition overall (seeing as EPCR are so cr@p at promoting it and lousy at getting major sponsors).
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Re: European Champions Cup [Most Improved]

Postby Dave Cahill » March 21st, 2018, 5:33 pm

I wonder will Channel 4 have to geolock their coverage as there is a seperate Irish rights holder
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Re: European Champions Cup [Most Improved]

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » March 21st, 2018, 6:08 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:I wonder will Channel 4 have to geolock their coverage as there is a seperate Irish rights holder


They've done that before with TV shows so I'd imagine they will.
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Re: European Champions Cup [Most Improved]

Postby simonokeeffe » March 21st, 2018, 6:45 pm

LeRouxIsPHat wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote:I wonder will Channel 4 have to geolock their coverage as there is a seperate Irish rights holder


They've done that before with TV shows so I'd imagine they will.


Hope not

Thankfully they dont have as many regional variations as BBC 1 or 2
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