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Re: Anglo - Pro 12 league

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rooster wrote:
Flash Gordon wrote: You're right in my opinion. Toulon win it a couple more times in a row driven only by sugar daddy money and people could lose interest. Not sure I'd be that interested in a season where the best we could hope for is the possibility of a quarter final. I said 3 years ago that Leinster needed to lead the next stage in our development when we could legitimately claim that a european tournament without us had no value or credibility and instead we just sat back and waited for the English and French to beat us up and feed us scraps. We shouldn't make that mistake again.
Interest in it could fall rapidly from sponsors if it becomes a "same old teams" competition each year, the HEC had a diversity in which the underdog could get a lucky break and there is nothing to get people noticing a competition as an underdog taking on one of the big lads, especially in the eyes of neutrals. At least when Leinster were top of the pile there were different opponents pushing each year, if it becomes the same semi final sides or even 3 of them a year it will die sooner rather than later, 2 or 3 French finals and BT and Sky will only have it as a filler programme and sponsors will do likewise.
The Heineken Cup was won by two teams in five of the last six editions of the tournament. The problems isn't with the ERC or the EPRC set-up, it's with the ridiculous laissez-faire regulation of the Top14 salary cap.

Some of the many reasons to implement a salary cap:
1] to prevent teams from major population hubs and media markets becoming more economically powerful than teams from smaller places and sucking all the playing talent into a small cartel of big teams [i.e. the Scottish Premiership in football, which is unhealthily dominated by Celtic – and formerly Rangers – and is widely regarded as a joke of a league];
2] to ensure that teams are relatively equal and thus that all matches are contests, which creates a more vibrant and attractive league with more meaningful contests deeper into the season – this increases gates, viewing numbers, advertising and television contracts, the last of which should be spread equally across the competing teams;
3] to help prevent the economic collapse of clubs if a major benefactor pulls out.

If you take it that there was no salary cap [or national player regulation] in European competition, but both – or even one – limit applied in national leagues, Toulon would stop being such a nauseating force in European rugby. Boudjellal wouldn't hire buckets of world class extra players who couldn't play in the Top14 [as they would exceed the salary cap] solely to play in Europe, nor would he be able to afford all the players he currently pays within a well-marshalled salary cap system.

The Top14 is a pissing contest for the club owners. Some of them seem like nice guys, others as though they're quite hard work, but they're all very proud and egotistical men. They are also motivated by the same desire to see their team win as your everyday fan. Most of them are not primarily motivated by money [with regards to the rugby side of their businesses], because they could do a hell of a lot better in that regard by acting like the NFL owners.
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Re: Anglo - Pro 12 league

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The formation of an Anglo - Pro12 league will not solve any problems.
It won't raise standards because the best teams in both leagues are barely on a par and therefore the French clubs will still remain dominant.
Given the justification used for changing the share out of European Cup TV cash who do people think will be the losers on that score.
The issue really is how will the PRO12 maintain competitiveness with French clubs rather than English clubs.
A successful national team is part of the solution.
Another possible source of income lies to the West, particularly in the case of Irish teams.
There are a lot of Irish Americans who are still very interested in things Ireland and indeed things rugby.
So the question is how to tap into that. Both for ex supporters, sponsorship, TV income etc.
Maybe a St. Patrick's day away game for Leinster v Munster might be worth consideration.
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Re: Anglo - Pro 12 league

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Whatever about a conference system, a league combining the top 6 Pro12 teams and the top 6 PRL teams should be a non-runner in my view. With Leinster's season hopefully having 33 matches in it, there have to be easier/smaller games to limit player burn-out. The Waratahs, by comparison, played 18 Super Rugby games last year. We just have to hope that the Pro12 grows as a brand over the next few years

There's hope for the future because Diego Dominguez, who has no coaching experience, will be taking over from Laporte as Toulon coach for the 2016/2017 season
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Re: Anglo - Pro 12 league

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Oldschool wrote:The formation of an Anglo - Pro12 league will not solve any problems.
It won't raise standards because the best teams in both leagues are barely on a par and therefore the French clubs will still remain dominant.
Given the justification used for changing the share out of European Cup TV cash who do people think will be the losers on that score.
The issue really is how will the PRO12 maintain competitiveness with French clubs rather than English clubs.
A successful national team is part of the solution.
Another possible source of income lies to the West, particularly in the case of Irish teams.
There are a lot of Irish Americans who are still very interested in things Ireland and indeed things rugby.
So the question is how to tap into that. Both for ex supporters, sponsorship, TV income etc.
Maybe a St. Patrick's day away game for Leinster v Munster might be worth consideration.
The Top14 gets over 30,000,000 tv viewers and 2,000,000 fans each season.
approx 700,000 watch the main weekend fixture with another batch on the late kick off game * 26
What ever happens there needs to be a 1,000,000 eyeball target for each weekend.
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