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Re: French Top 14 2015/2016

Postby fourthirtythree » June 15th, 2016, 10:33 pm

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Toulon fan wrote:It's a fake. And you know where's the scam here?
The time played by french international players during the six months that french players spent with France this season (World Cup+6 Nations...) is NOT counted here.

So, this table counts the time in clubs of all french players who're not international! Such a big deal![/size]

That's called propaganda, or disinformation. Or whatever bullshit.


Good point, the table should be adjusted to take into account player time at club.


Why? nobody is asserting that say, Montpellier, are not playing French internationals when they are available to them. Merely that they are not playing French players very much. Which they aren't. And which is the point.

And which, by the by, isn't really covered by French internationals being away.

As an aside Toulon lost around as many players to the world cup as we did. Just not French players. Is that propaganda too? Disinformation?
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Re: French Top 14 2015/2016

Postby Toulon fan » June 16th, 2016, 8:26 am

fourthirtythree wrote:As an aside Toulon lost around as many players to the world cup as we did. Just not French players. Is that propaganda too? Disinformation?

Tillous-Borde, Michalak, Mermoz, Bastareaud, Guirado, Chiocci were at the World Cup...
Tillous and Michalak came back injuried and out for the season.
So, yes, disinformation and propaganda.
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Re: French Top 14 2015/2016

Postby domhnallj » June 16th, 2016, 9:06 am

fourthirtythree wrote:
domhnallj wrote:
Toulon fan wrote:It's a fake. And you know where's the scam here?
The time played by french international players during the six months that french players spent with France this season (World Cup+6 Nations...) is NOT counted here.

So, this table counts the time in clubs of all french players who're not international! Such a big deal![/size]

That's called propaganda, or disinformation. Or whatever bullshit.


Good point, the table should be adjusted to take into account player time at club.


Why? nobody is asserting that say, Montpellier, are not playing French internationals when they are available to them. Merely that they are not playing French players very much. Which they aren't. And which is the point.

And which, by the by, isn't really covered by French internationals being away.

As an aside Toulon lost around as many players to the world cup as we did. Just not French players. Is that propaganda too? Disinformation?


Exactly, an adjusted table would allow for better comparison. I'm not syaing that the one provided isn't useful, I just want more detail.
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Re: French Top 14 2015/2016

Postby fourthirtythree » June 16th, 2016, 11:38 am

Toulon fan wrote:
fourthirtythree wrote:As an aside Toulon lost around as many players to the world cup as we did. Just not French players. Is that propaganda too? Disinformation?

Tillous-Borde, Michalak, Mermoz, Bastareaud, Guirado, Chiocci were at the World Cup...
Tillous and Michalak came back injuried and out for the season.
So, yes, disinformation and propaganda.


That's just a fault in your English: you did not lose as many French players as we lost Irish. You lost six French, round about a third of what we did. The elision is good English usage, I would have thought it translated directly into French also.

This is neither disinformation nor is it propaganda. I think your extreme defensiveness speaks for itself.


domhnallj wrote:Exactly, an adjusted table would allow for better comparison. I'm not syaing that the one provided isn't useful, I just want more detail.


More detail could help explain why it's happening or not happening, it wouldn't change the fact that the raw data shows it is happening (or not happening).
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Re: French Top 14 2015/2016

Postby simonokeeffe » June 16th, 2016, 12:53 pm

have to factor in the overseas players at World Cup too
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: French Top 14 2015/2016

Postby domhnallj » June 16th, 2016, 1:00 pm

fourthirtythree wrote:
More detail could help explain why it's happening or not happening, it wouldn't change the fact that the raw data shows it is happening (or not happening).


They are both raw data, just data presented in different ways. The devil with these things is what you want to know and what they want to show you. It would be simple enough to statistically model the effects of player presence or absence on minutes played in that league.
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Re: French Top 14 2015/2016

Postby VGE » June 17th, 2016, 9:43 pm

Full time ASM/Racing 27/27

I stopped watching at the 20th. Will only wake up if Montferrand has to go to Barcelona.

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Re: French Top 14 2015/2016

Postby kermischocolate » June 17th, 2016, 9:48 pm

1st semi has gone to extra time. It's like this league never wants to finish this year!
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Re: French Top 14 2015/2016

Postby Made Of Ale » June 17th, 2016, 10:28 pm

Well that's the maddest end to a rugby match that I have ever seen, bar none. Racing won then Clermont won then Racing won by in the space of five seconds at the end of the 120 minutes. If you do anything this weekend, check out the last few minutes on youtube or wherever. You won't regret it.
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Re: French Top 14 2015/2016

Postby VGE » June 17th, 2016, 10:32 pm

If someone can help to understand why Fofana's try is refused and the last one allowed in the same game by the same referee and the same TMO...

Carter had to see Barcelona, Canal+ paied billions for that.


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Re: French Top 14 2015/2016

Postby Toulon fan » June 18th, 2016, 8:46 am

VGE wrote:If someone can help to understand why Fofana's try is refused and the last one allowed in the same game by the same referee and the same TMO...

Carter had to see Barcelona, Canal+ paied billions for that.


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Re: French Top 14 2015/2016

Postby Ruckedtobits » June 18th, 2016, 12:49 pm

Made Of Ale wrote:Well that's the maddest end to a rugby match that I have ever seen, bar none. Racing won then Clermont won then Racing won by in the space of five seconds at the end of the 120 minutes. If you do anything this weekend, check out the last few minutes on youtube or wherever. You won't regret it.


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Re: French Top 14 2015/2016

Postby VGE » June 18th, 2016, 3:27 pm

Last try awarded

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I can't find a pic with the reason to refuse Fofana's one. It probably doesn't exist.


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Re: French Top 14 2015/2016

Postby VGE » June 18th, 2016, 9:39 pm

Toulon 27-18 Montpellier

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Re: French Top 14 2015/2016

Postby kermischocolate » June 24th, 2016, 10:24 pm

Fair play to Racing for coming from behind to beat Toulon in the final after Machenaud was red carded after 20-odd minutes.
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Re: French Top 14 2015/2016

Postby Made Of Ale » June 24th, 2016, 10:59 pm

Any match that I've watched that Matthieu Raynal sends someone off, the team with 14 wins. There must be something in that.
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Re: French Top 14 2015/2016

Postby simonokeeffe » July 12th, 2016, 8:40 pm

Quade Cooper leaving Toulon to return to Aus

No word yet on the 4 replacements theyll sign
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: French Top 14 2015/2016

Postby neill_m » July 12th, 2016, 8:59 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:Quade Cooper leaving Toulon to return to Aus

No word yet on the 4 replacements theyll sign


Michalak and Taylor also have left, Trinh-Duc from Montpellier and Bernard from Bordeaux joining.
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Re: French Top 14 2015/2016

Postby simonokeeffe » July 13th, 2016, 9:33 am

neill_m wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:Quade Cooper leaving Toulon to return to Aus

No word yet on the 4 replacements theyll sign


Michalak and Taylor also have left, Trinh-Duc from Montpellier and Bernard from Bordeaux joining.


Hopefully Lancastrr can get the best out of FTD
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Re: French Top 14 2015/2016

Postby rooster » August 12th, 2016, 7:52 pm

Toulon chucking toys out of pram again, they got fined €100,000 for breaking the salary cap in 2014/2015 season :roll:
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