David Nucifora - Ongoing

[Ruckedtobits]

But only the day after he agreed with his "acting Chairman" to allow Munster their earnest desire of Jaco for New Year. The Union 'big boss' Tom Grace agreed to the proposal because he was assured it would keep the feet pattering into TP and thus reduce the projected deficit for Munster.

All things have a reason, sometimes you have to dig a bit to find it!

[Oldschoolsocks]

But only the day after he agreed with his "acting Chairman" to allow Munster their earnest desire of Jaco for New Year. The Union 'big boss' Tom Grace agreed to the proposal because he was assured it would keep the feet pattering into TP and thus reduce the projected deficit for Munster.

All things have a reason, sometimes you have to dig a bit to find it!

I would dearly like this to be true, just because it makes the most sense. Is there any source beyond barstool meanderings?


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[ronk]

But only the day after he agreed with his "acting Chairman" to allow Munster their earnest desire of Jaco for New Year. The Union 'big boss' Tom Grace agreed to the proposal because he was assured it would keep the feet pattering into TP and thus reduce the projected deficit for Munster.

All things have a reason, sometimes you have to dig a bit to find it!

I would dearly like this to be true, just because it makes the most sense. Is there any source beyond barstool meanderings?


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http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/d ... -1.2921500

[simonokeeffe]

Lam is saying again theyre not being allowed NIQ medical jokers, seems a bit unfair at this stage, surely Connacht making Euro quarters too would be useful to everyone

[Oldschool]

It's time for the IRFU to bite the bullet.
David Nucifira should be offered a contract extension forthwith.

[Dave Cahill]

Lam is saying again theyre not being allowed NIQ medical jokers, seems a bit unfair at this stage, surely Connacht making Euro quarters too would be useful to everyone

It wouldn't be useful to Munster, and sure thats all that matters apparently.

[ronk]

Lam is saying again theyre not being allowed NIQ medical jokers, seems a bit unfair at this stage, surely Connacht making Euro quarters too would be useful to everyone

Lam is on the way out. Any poor performance can be laid at his door. New guy will get all the resources and all the kudos.

Thomond is that much bigger and that much more in debt than the Sportsground. That's where all the money should go.

[Dave Cahill]

Thomond is that much bigger and that much more in debt than the Sportsground. That's where all the money should go.

Why? Why throw good money after bad? This is a stadium that was supposed to be delivered debt-free IYR. Since then Ulster have started, finished, and paid for the redevelopment of Ravenhill; Leinster have a new headquarters and Connacht have pretty much quintupled their support base. Meanwhile, year on year, Thomond Park isn't sustainable. That was fine when it was a burden only on those that built it, but now the rest of us are being dragged down by it and that is unacceptable.

[Oldschool]

Lam is saying again theyre not being allowed NIQ medical jokers, seems a bit unfair at this stage, surely Connacht making Euro quarters too would be useful to everyone

Lam is on the way out. Any poor performance can be laid at his door. New guy will get all the resources and all the kudos.

Thomond is that much bigger and that much more in debt than the Sportsground. That's where all the money should go.

The IRFU is probably on the hook for the debt anyway so the sooner that's sorted out the sooner NOcifora's regime will be embedded in all the provinces.
That debt is the main reason Nucifora should get a contract extension because Munster intransigence has delayed the whole "NO" project by at least a couple of seasons.

[ronk]

Thomond is that much bigger and that much more in debt than the Sportsground. That's where all the money should go.

Why? Why throw good money after bad? This is a stadium that was supposed to be delivered debt-free IYR. Since then Ulster have started, finished, and paid for the redevelopment of Ravenhill; Leinster have a new headquarters and Connacht have pretty much quintupled their support base. Meanwhile, year on year, Thomond Park isn't sustainable. That was fine when it was a burden only on those that built it, but now the rest of us are being dragged down by it and that is unacceptable.

Oh I was being facetious. Taute is simple moral hazard. Munster aren't paying for him so they can gamble with someone else's money. They win and Rassie is a hero, lose and the mess will be someone else's.

The system is designed to prevent it due to separation of decision making but Munster just have too much influence. The furore over Leinsters selection for the Thomond game brought back just how much influence rests with the people who only watch a few select games. Seasonal and long term considerations can be damned, the provincial game is really just there for a few big days out between internationals.

[Dave Cahill]

Oh I was being facetious.

Oops!

[simonokeeffe]

Lam is saying again theyre not being allowed NIQ medical jokers, seems a bit unfair at this stage, surely Connacht making Euro quarters too would be useful to everyone

Lam is on the way out. Any poor performance can be laid at his door. New guy will get all the resources and all the kudos.

Thomond is that much bigger and that much more in debt than the Sportsground. That's where all the money should go.

Connacht are missing more players than England in 1946

[ronk]

Thomond was moral hazard too, a white elephant that has demanded more money for the playing squad to support it.

The project signings Munster have made should turn them back into more of a force, but it's clear that Nucifora will bleed us to get there and I'm guessing that where he thinks our pain point is determines how bad it gets.


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[dropkick]

The system is designed to prevent it due to separation of decision making but Munster just have too much influence. The furore over Leinsters selection for the Thomond game brought back just how much influence rests with the people who only watch a few select games. Seasonal and long term considerations can be damned, the provincial game is really just there for a few big days out between internationals.

It simply looks like a restructuring of Munster by Nucifora. We heard at the end of last season that Nucifora was going to sort out the mess in Munster himself and basically get Munster to copy the Connacht model of bringing through more young players. Rassie said the other day that over the next 2 or 3 years the squad is going to be trimmed down. http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugb ... 37361.html


What we're seeing now is Munster in the process of revamping the squad. Yes there are a load of NIQs but as someone who has supported lowering the number of NIQs, its nothing to be angry about. As an analogy, its like tidying a house. If you tidy a house, sometimes during the tidying the house looks worse than it was because there are items everywhere but thats only temporary. Once done the house will be in order.

[johng]

The system is designed to prevent it due to separation of decision making but Munster just have too much influence. The furore over Leinsters selection for the Thomond game brought back just how much influence rests with the people who only watch a few select games. Seasonal and long term considerations can be damned, the provincial game is really just there for a few big days out between internationals.

It simply looks like a restructuring of Munster by Nucifora. We heard at the end of last season that Nucifora was going to sort out the mess in Munster himself and basically get Munster to copy the Connacht model of bringing through more young players. Rassie said the other day that over the next 2 or 3 years the squad is going to be trimmed down. http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugb ... 37361.html


What we're seeing now is Munster in the process of revamping the squad. Yes there are a load of NIQs but as someone who has supported lowering the number of NIQs, its nothing to be angry about. As an analogy, its like tidying a house. If you tidy a house, sometimes during the tidying the house looks worse than it was because there are items everywhere but thats only temporary. Once done the house will be in order.

That is how I see it too.

[simonokeeffe]

The system is designed to prevent it due to separation of decision making but Munster just have too much influence. The furore over Leinsters selection for the Thomond game brought back just how much influence rests with the people who only watch a few select games. Seasonal and long term considerations can be damned, the provincial game is really just there for a few big days out between internationals.

It simply looks like a restructuring of Munster by Nucifora. We heard at the end of last season that Nucifora was going to sort out the mess in Munster himself and basically get Munster to copy the Connacht model of bringing through more young players. Rassie said the other day that over the next 2 or 3 years the squad is going to be trimmed down. http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugb ... 37361.html


What we're seeing now is Munster in the process of revamping the squad. Yes there are a load of NIQs but as someone who has supported lowering the number of NIQs, its nothing to be angry about. As an analogy, its like tidying a house. If you tidy a house, sometimes during the tidying the house looks worse than it was because there are items everywhere but thats only temporary. Once done the house will be in order.

sounds like Copeland could be getting moved on so
know Chisholm there on a technicality but they have 8 locks listed as contracted (senior)

[hugonaut]

The system is designed to prevent it due to separation of decision making but Munster just have too much influence. The furore over Leinsters selection for the Thomond game brought back just how much influence rests with the people who only watch a few select games. Seasonal and long term considerations can be damned, the provincial game is really just there for a few big days out between internationals.

It simply looks like a restructuring of Munster by Nucifora. We heard at the end of last season that Nucifora was going to sort out the mess in Munster himself and basically get Munster to copy the Connacht model of bringing through more young players. Rassie said the other day that over the next 2 or 3 years the squad is going to be trimmed down. http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugb ... 37361.html


What we're seeing now is Munster in the process of revamping the squad. Yes there are a load of NIQs but as someone who has supported lowering the number of NIQs, its nothing to be angry about. As an analogy, its like tidying a house. If you tidy a house, sometimes during the tidying the house looks worse than it was because there are items everywhere but thats only temporary. Once done the house will be in order.

I don't buy that at all. You don't 'bring through' young players [i.e. select them for games] by bloating the squad with NIQ players on short-term contracts and not selecting said young players. That's patently nonsense.

Munster have two former Irish U20 tightheads in Year 3 of their academy: Brian Scott [23] who started in the academy four years ago, and missed a whole year [2014/15] due to a neck injury; and Rory Burke [22] who is repeating his Year 3 due to a run of injuries in previous years. Both of these lads have essentially spent four years in the Munster Academy environment.

Scott has played 29 mins over four games this season, Burke hasn't played a single minute. Why do they need to bring in du Toit [younger than either of them] as a tighthead on a short-term deal? Why don't they give Scott more than the 29 mins he has played, or give Burke a chance? Leinster have played four props younger than Burke – the younger of the two, the guy who hasn't played a minute – this season: Dooley, Heffernan [A], Loughman [A] and Porter [A]. Why can't Burke, a guy who started 9 of the 10 U20 internationals in 2014, get a single minute of Pro12 rugby?

Erasmus wants to get wins under his belt because that's the head coach's job: to get wins. Once you're winning, everything is much easier. I don't blame Erasmus for wanting to keep Taute; Taute makes Munster a better team.

In general teams Munster fans have, over the last four or five years, proved that they're no better or worse than other fans when it comes to supporting their side – they can raise a decent crowd for a big match, but they don't show up in anything like the same numbers if they're not winning. The lack of attendance was hurting the province and hurting the IRFU's bank balance. Now that things are going well, Nucifora doesn't want to stick a spoke in the wheel for the sake of 'fairness' – people are coming back to Thomond, money is coming back in and it's going back to the IRFU. That's hardly a conspiracy theory, and figuring it out isn't rocket surgery.

[ronk]

The specific moves mostly don't fit a major cleanup. If you're building a squad you trust you can't run from playing the young talent you're building.

Taute and Saili fit a pattern of win now.

Kleyn and Marshall are experienced future IQ players, that's fine. Getting in loads of short term players is counterproductive for building. Munster are doing some things rewards building and are rolling back from Axels strategy.

They're still stockpiling players in areas where young talent could get opportunities. I can see how temporary signings can be used to allow a safe reduction in squad size but the squad hasn't really been getting smaller.

[leinsterforever]

The system is designed to prevent it due to separation of decision making but Munster just have too much influence. The furore over Leinsters selection for the Thomond game brought back just how much influence rests with the people who only watch a few select games. Seasonal and long term considerations can be damned, the provincial game is really just there for a few big days out between internationals.

It simply looks like a restructuring of Munster by Nucifora. We heard at the end of last season that Nucifora was going to sort out the mess in Munster himself and basically get Munster to copy the Connacht model of bringing through more young players. Rassie said the other day that over the next 2 or 3 years the squad is going to be trimmed down. http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugb ... 37361.html


What we're seeing now is Munster in the process of revamping the squad. Yes there are a load of NIQs but as someone who has supported lowering the number of NIQs, its nothing to be angry about. As an analogy, its like tidying a house. If you tidy a house, sometimes during the tidying the house looks worse than it was because there are items everywhere but thats only temporary. Once done the house will be in order.

I don't buy that at all. You don't 'bring through' young players [i.e. select them for games] by bloating the squad with NIQ players on short-term contracts and not selecting said young players. That's patently nonsense.

Munster have two former Irish U20 tightheads in Year 3 of their academy: Brian Scott [23] who started in the academy four years ago, and missed a whole year [2014/15] due to a neck injury; and Rory Burke [22] who is repeating his Year 3 due to a run of injuries in previous years. Both of these lads have essentially spent four years in the Munster Academy environment.

Scott has played 29 mins over four games this season, Burke hasn't played a single minute. Why do they need to bring in du Toit [younger than either of them] as a tighthead on a short-term deal? Why don't they give Scott more than the 29 mins he has played, or give Burke a chance? Leinster have played four props younger than Burke – the younger of the two, the guy who hasn't played a minute – this season: Dooley, Heffernan [A], Loughman [A] and Porter [A]. Why can't Burke, a guy who started 9 of the 10 U20 internationals in 2014, get a single minute of Pro12 rugby?

Erasmus wants to get wins under his belt because that's the head coach's job: to get wins. Once you're winning, everything is much easier. I don't blame Erasmus for wanting to keep Taute; Taute makes Munster a better team.

In general teams Munster fans have, over the last four or five years, proved that they're no better or worse than other fans when it comes to supporting their side – they can raise a decent crowd for a big match, but they don't show up in anything like the same numbers if they're not winning. The lack of attendance was hurting the province and hurting the IRFU's bank balance. Now that things are going well, Nucifora doesn't want to stick a spoke in the wheel for the sake of 'fairness' – people are coming back to Thomond, money is coming back in and it's going back to the IRFU. That's hardly a conspiracy theory, and figuring it out isn't rocket surgery.

du Toit can play both sides as well as far as I know, so Peter McCabe and Liam O'Connor could miss out on game-time too

[ronk]

Burke and Scott are getting cut. du Toit was an extended trial like Taute and Lloyd, dressed up as short term deals.

Tidy house alright