David Nucifora - Ongoing

[wixfjord]

Change of subject. Not sure what to make of this.
http://www.the42.ie/pat-lam-mitch-lam-c ... 9-Jan2017/

Said this on another thread, but I think of all the contentious decisions on NIQs over the last while, this is the most illogical.
Wouldn't be surprised if the IRFU came out today with a statement about it.

[LeRouxIsPHat]

Leinster people don't watch the Tg4 highlights in the main, we aren't their market. Leinster people prefer to watch their rugby on Sky and BT Sport. TG4 aren't dumb (quite the reverse in fact, they're probably the smartest channel on the island) and aren't going to waste screen time on a team that isn't the main interest of the majority of their viewers. The east coast, with its multichannel framework and high-speed broadband network is not TG4 terrirtory

Think the term you're looking for (or possibly avoiding on purpose) is "West Brits"

Always been a fan of TG4 but they really need to do something about Marcus Horan, he's dreadful.

[LeRouxIsPHat]

Change of subject. Not sure what to make of this.
http://www.the42.ie/pat-lam-mitch-lam-c ... 9-Jan2017/

Said this on another thread, but I think of all the contentious decisions on NIQs over the last while, this is the most illogical.
Wouldn't be surprised if the IRFU came out today with a statement about it.

Maybe they thought he was mutton?

[Oldschoolsocks]

Ah lads. This place is becoming more and more like Munsterfans. Paranoia reigns.

+1, a lot of whining creeping in to this forum lately.
Mammy and Daddy are giving more attention to little michael at the moment because hes been a bit sick of late. It dosen't mean that they don't love you too.

I watch TG4 rugby if there is no alternative. I also tune in for the TG4 weather reports, damm those girls are fine.

Plus one on all points above.

Since when does it matter to us what happens down south - we are the masters of our own destiny

As for the TG4 weather girls, they never advertised this during Irish classes in school.


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[Dexter]

@ Ormond Lad
I'd prefer to see Scott playing but as I said, signing du Toit was a decision that might have been taken a while before he arrived and Munster had John Ryan and an injured Archer as tightheads. Andress was injured too as far as I remember.

@ Peg leg
Munster are not a drain on the IRFU finances. If I remember correctly the IRFU have a reserve of €60m or €70m so a €9m loan to Munster isn't going to have any effect unless they are going to spend all their money. The money would be sitting in a bank anyway. Plus I'm sure the IRFU are getting some kind of interest out of it.

@ Laighin Break
Because Leinster have more depth at prop. Munsters second choice tighthead is Archer. Leinsters is Mike Ross.
As I said above, I'd prefer to see Scott or Burke playing than du Toit but another prop was needed.

@ Dexter
Its not rewarding failure at all. More like a kick start. Ulster got that a few years back and nobody was complaining. The failure in Munster was having a weak academy for so long. They've rectified that over the years but it takes time for academy lads to transition to first team.


Something people should keep in mind when it comes to Nucifora and the IRFU is most of the changes they make have long term goals in mind. Fans think short term, the IRFU thinks long term. People look at 8 NIQs in Munster while I'm looking at the 3 that'll be there next season and potential players in signings Chris Farrell, Hart and Hanrahan along with Scott, Burke, Goggin, Johnston, Fitzgerald and possibly Greg O'Shea and Oliver promoted from the academy. 10 Irish players listed there.

I'm not painting it as a bad thing, just a fact. Maybe I stated it a bit harshly but the IRFU do seem to have a "socialist" approach to how they treat the provinces, they try to equalise them (except for Connacht in the past).
A better line might have been: "The IRFU give preferential treatment to underperforming provinces. Discuss".
It's basically what this thread is all about.

[johng]

Ah lads. This place is becoming more and more like Munsterfans. Paranoia reigns.

+1, a lot of whining creeping in to this forum lately.
Mammy and Daddy are giving more attention to little michael at the moment because hes been a bit sick of late. It dosen't mean that they don't love you too.

This is it exactly. Mammy and Daddy will also use the approach "I know your brother Johnny seems to have all the advantages of being bigger, stronger and more intelligent (and well... less inbred, the milkman could actually be his da).
But he did work hard to get where he is and we need you to pull your weight too when you get better Michael. You have to work hard to stay on the farm. No more handouts.

[blockhead]

Ah lads. This place is becoming more and more like Munsterfans. Paranoia reigns.

+1, a lot of whining creeping in to this forum lately.
Mammy and Daddy are giving more attention to little michael at the moment because hes been a bit sick of late. It dosen't mean that they don't love you too.

This is it exactly. Mammy and Daddy will also use the approach "I know your brother Johnny seems to have all the advantages of being bigger, stronger and more intelligent (and well... less inbred, the milkman could actually be his da).
But he did work hard to get where he is and we need you to pull your weight too when you get better Michael. You have to work hard to stay on the farm. No more handouts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEipG31iAC4

[dropkick]

@ Ormond Lad
I'd prefer to see Scott playing but as I said, signing du Toit was a decision that might have been taken a while before he arrived and Munster had John Ryan and an injured Archer as tightheads. Andress was injured too as far as I remember.

@ Peg leg
Munster are not a drain on the IRFU finances. If I remember correctly the IRFU have a reserve of €60m or €70m so a €9m loan to Munster isn't going to have any effect unless they are going to spend all their money. The money would be sitting in a bank anyway. Plus I'm sure the IRFU are getting some kind of interest out of it.

@ Laighin Break
Because Leinster have more depth at prop. Munsters second choice tighthead is Archer. Leinsters is Mike Ross.
As I said above, I'd prefer to see Scott or Burke playing than du Toit but another prop was needed.

@ Dexter
Its not rewarding failure at all. More like a kick start. Ulster got that a few years back and nobody was complaining. The failure in Munster was having a weak academy for so long. They've rectified that over the years but it takes time for academy lads to transition to first team.


Something people should keep in mind when it comes to Nucifora and the IRFU is most of the changes they make have long term goals in mind. Fans think short term, the IRFU thinks long term. People look at 8 NIQs in Munster while I'm looking at the 3 that'll be there next season and potential players in signings Chris Farrell, Hart and Hanrahan along with Scott, Burke, Goggin, Johnston, Fitzgerald and possibly Greg O'Shea and Oliver promoted from the academy. 10 Irish players listed there.

Nonsense about IRFU financial position. They are still repaying Aviva debt and postponed or reduced the sale of tranches of 10 year tickets twice in last three seasons. Munster current budget is rumoured at - €2.5M with no capital repayments on TP debt for past three years. Big year of 10 year ticket sales in 2018-9 but need success to get that away, particularly Leinster supporters who will buy 80% of 5k i.e 4k of prime tickets @ c. 15-18k each.

So IRFU not sitting on cash pile and Sterling exchange rate hurting (6N income) compared to past 5 years.

If they are still repaying the debt, there's very little of it left. They also have a lot of money in reserve. Over €70 m if I remember correctly. They've increased funding to the provinces, started a 7s team, gave the FAI €12.5m for something and all the top players are still in Ireland.


I'm not saying Munster shouldn't repay their debt but I don't think the other provinces are suffering.

[BlueBlue]

@ Ormond Lad
I'd prefer to see Scott playing but as I said, signing du Toit was a decision that might have been taken a while before he arrived and Munster had John Ryan and an injured Archer as tightheads. Andress was injured too as far as I remember.

@ Peg leg
Munster are not a drain on the IRFU finances. If I remember correctly the IRFU have a reserve of €60m or €70m so a €9m loan to Munster isn't going to have any effect unless they are going to spend all their money. The money would be sitting in a bank anyway. Plus I'm sure the IRFU are getting some kind of interest out of it.

@ Laighin Break
Because Leinster have more depth at prop. Munsters second choice tighthead is Archer. Leinsters is Mike Ross.
As I said above, I'd prefer to see Scott or Burke playing than du Toit but another prop was needed.

@ Dexter
Its not rewarding failure at all. More like a kick start. Ulster got that a few years back and nobody was complaining. The failure in Munster was having a weak academy for so long. They've rectified that over the years but it takes time for academy lads to transition to first team.


Something people should keep in mind when it comes to Nucifora and the IRFU is most of the changes they make have long term goals in mind. Fans think short term, the IRFU thinks long term. People look at 8 NIQs in Munster while I'm looking at the 3 that'll be there next season and potential players in signings Chris Farrell, Hart and Hanrahan along with Scott, Burke, Goggin, Johnston, Fitzgerald and possibly Greg O'Shea and Oliver promoted from the academy. 10 Irish players listed there.

I'm not painting it as a bad thing, just a fact. Maybe I stated it a bit harshly but the IRFU do seem to have a "socialist" approach to how they treat the provinces, they try to equalise them (except for Connacht in the past).
A better line might have been: "The IRFU give preferential treatment to underperforming provinces. Discuss".
It's basically what this thread is all about.

I'd agree. Whenever Munster is part of the discussion people are over sensitive. I'll criticise Munster if I think its warranted, if that makes me a whinger in some peoples eye's can't say I really care.

[BlueBlue]

@ Ormond Lad
I'd prefer to see Scott playing but as I said, signing du Toit was a decision that might have been taken a while before he arrived and Munster had John Ryan and an injured Archer as tightheads. Andress was injured too as far as I remember.

@ Peg leg
Munster are not a drain on the IRFU finances. If I remember correctly the IRFU have a reserve of €60m or €70m so a €9m loan to Munster isn't going to have any effect unless they are going to spend all their money. The money would be sitting in a bank anyway. Plus I'm sure the IRFU are getting some kind of interest out of it.

@ Laighin Break
Because Leinster have more depth at prop. Munsters second choice tighthead is Archer. Leinsters is Mike Ross.
As I said above, I'd prefer to see Scott or Burke playing than du Toit but another prop was needed.

@ Dexter
Its not rewarding failure at all. More like a kick start. Ulster got that a few years back and nobody was complaining. The failure in Munster was having a weak academy for so long. They've rectified that over the years but it takes time for academy lads to transition to first team.


Something people should keep in mind when it comes to Nucifora and the IRFU is most of the changes they make have long term goals in mind. Fans think short term, the IRFU thinks long term. People look at 8 NIQs in Munster while I'm looking at the 3 that'll be there next season and potential players in signings Chris Farrell, Hart and Hanrahan along with Scott, Burke, Goggin, Johnston, Fitzgerald and possibly Greg O'Shea and Oliver promoted from the academy. 10 Irish players listed there.

Nonsense about IRFU financial position. They are still repaying Aviva debt and postponed or reduced the sale of tranches of 10 year tickets twice in last three seasons. Munster current budget is rumoured at - €2.5M with no capital repayments on TP debt for past three years. Big year of 10 year ticket sales in 2018-9 but need success to get that away, particularly Leinster supporters who will buy 80% of 5k i.e 4k of prime tickets @ c. 15-18k each.

So IRFU not sitting on cash pile and Sterling exchange rate hurting (6N income) compared to past 5 years.

If they are still repaying the debt, there's very little of it left. They also have a lot of money in reserve. Over €70 m if I remember correctly. They've increased funding to the provinces, started a 7s team, gave the FAI €12.5m for something and all the top players are still in Ireland.


I'm not saying Munster shouldn't repay their debt but I don't think the other provinces are suffering.

Tom Grace the treasurer of the IRFU would not agree, you should read his annual report. He was critical in the extreme regarding the commercial side of Munster. The IRFU had to bridge a 1.2m shortfall in Munster operating costs also at the end of the 15/16 season, a loss it warned it would never pick up again. After the IRFU made up the Munster shortfall they had 1m extra to share between the provinces, so lets say 250k each. Not a large amount, but it could have been double that without Munster shortfall. To assume that an organisation like the IRFU ARE NOT DRAINED, and therefore shortfalls in Money do not have a knock-on effect on the other provinces is plain crazy. Also, 9m would pay the wage bill of one of the big 3 and Connacht for a year, its not small money. I believe no interest is being collected from munster.

[BlueBlue]

Tom Grace and Philip Browne on Munster depth

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/i ... -1.2723985

[BlueBlue]

Munster gate was down 2m in 2014 / 15 season. Ouch !

[dropkick]

If they are still repaying the debt, there's very little of it left. They also have a lot of money in reserve. Over €70 m if I remember correctly. They've increased funding to the provinces, started a 7s team, gave the FAI €12.5m for something and all the top players are still in Ireland.


I'm not saying Munster shouldn't repay their debt but I don't think the other provinces are suffering.

Tom Grace the treasurer of the IRFU would not agree, you should read his annual report. He was critical in the extreme regarding the commercial side of Munster. The IRFU had to bridge a 1.2m shortfall in Munster operating costs also at the end of the 15/16 season, a loss it warned it would never pick up again. After the IRFU made up the Munster shortfall they had 1m extra to share between the provinces, so lets say 250k each. Not a large amount, but it could have been double that without Munster shortfall. To assume that an organisation like the IRFU ARE NOT DRAINED, and therefore shortfalls in Money do not have a knock-on effect on the other provinces is plain crazy. Also, 9m would pay the wage bill of one of the big 3 and Connacht for a year, its not small money. I believe no interest is being collected from munster.

A €9m loan isn't going to effect the other provinces because otherwise it's just sitting in a bank account depreciating as the IRFU have over €70m in reserve.
And yes they were right to be critical.

Tom Grace and Philip Browne on Munster depth

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/i ... -1.2723985

In that article there was also this sentence:

Unlike the FAI who still owe €34.75 million on the Aviva Stadium, the IRFU paid off, up front in 2010, the amount they owed for the stadium redevelopment following the successful sale of corporate boxes and 10-year tickets.

I'm not sure how accurate that is because I thought they still had a bit to pay off but they majority of it is paid off. If they can do that in 10 years the future certainly isn't all doom and gloom especially if the pro12 starts to generate more money.

[rooster]

Nonsense about IRFU financial position. They are still repaying Aviva debt and postponed or reduced the sale of tranches of 10 year tickets twice in last three seasons. Munster current budget is rumoured at - €2.5M with no capital repayments on TP debt for past three years. Big year of 10 year ticket sales in 2018-9 but need success to get that away, particularly Leinster supporters who will buy 80% of 5k i.e 4k of prime tickets @ c. 15-18k each.

So IRFU not sitting on cash pile and Sterling exchange rate hurting (6N income) compared to past 5 years.

If they are still repaying the debt, there's very little of it left. They also have a lot of money in reserve. Over €70 m if I remember correctly. They've increased funding to the provinces, started a 7s team, gave the FAI €12.5m for something and all the top players are still in Ireland.


I'm not saying Munster shouldn't repay their debt but I don't think the other provinces are suffering.

Tom Grace the treasurer of the IRFU would not agree, you should read his annual report. He was critical in the extreme regarding the commercial side of Munster. The IRFU had to bridge a 1.2m shortfall in Munster operating costs also at the end of the 15/16 season, a loss it warned it would never pick up again. After the IRFU made up the Munster shortfall they had 1m extra to share between the provinces, so lets say 250k each. Not a large amount, but it could have been double that without Munster shortfall. To assume that an organisation like the IRFU ARE NOT DRAINED, and therefore shortfalls in Money do not have a knock-on effect on the other provinces is plain crazy. Also, 9m would pay the wage bill of one of the big 3 and Connacht for a year, its not small money. I believe no interest is being collected from munster.

The supposed 500k each didn't come to Leinster or Ulster as it was used for Munster, not sure what happened Connacht but they probably didn't get anything either

[munster#1]

Munster gate was down 2m in 2014 / 15 season. Ouch !

It will be interesting to see what the provinces gates are by seasons end. Munster have had a number of sell out crowds already this season, with the racing game looking like it will also be a sell out.

From looking at the crowds so far this season for Leinster, it appears that the wheels have, perhaps not fallen off the wagon, but they are definitely loose.

[munster#1]

While the witch hunt is ongoing, it is worth noting that the IRFU have bailed out Ulster and Connacht in the past, so Munster are the 3rd team to require assistance.

Rugby is a business, and the provinces are nothing more than franchises owned by the IRFU, that exist as professional teams because of the IRFU, to serve the IRFU' plans.
If the provinces fail, like with any business, it is the owners who take the hit, and the responsibility to repair the problem.

[blockhead]

Munster gate was down 2m in 2014 / 15 season. Ouch !

It will be interesting to see what the provinces gates are by seasons end. Munster have had a number of sell out crowds already this season, with the racing game looking like it will also be a sell out.

From looking at the crowds so far this season for Leinster, it appears that the wheels have, perhaps not fallen off the wagon, but they are definitely loose.

Our gates are up on last year.

[munster#1]

Munster gate was down 2m in 2014 / 15 season. Ouch !

It will be interesting to see what the provinces gates are by seasons end. Munster have had a number of sell out crowds already this season, with the racing game looking like it will also be a sell out.

From looking at the crowds so far this season for Leinster, it appears that the wheels have, perhaps not fallen off the wagon, but they are definitely loose.

Our gates are up on last year.

Just checked it out and you seem to be correct. Leinster' attendance is actually fairly poor in the RDS, and seems to be far from perfect in the Aviva.

Their ticket pricing must make up for the sales short fall. Fair play to the Leinster.

[blockhead]

Up nearly 2200 per RDS Pro12 game on last seasons corresponding fixtures. The big loss was the Saints game, down nearly 6.5K on the fixture from last season.

[munster#1]

Up nearly 2200 per RDS Pro12 game on last seasons corresponding fixtures. The big loss was the Saints game, down nearly 6.5K on the fixture from last season.

Given the catchment area, Leinster rugby are doing very poor with getting bums on seats, but massive credit goes to them for turning a profit.

Massive scope for growth, giving the population within an hour of the stadium.