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Re: Brexit & Rugby

Postby Ruckedtobits » November 17th, 2016, 8:09 pm

Ruckedtobits wrote:Essentially, this Judgement explains that the Referendum was essentially a 'blunt' instrument whereas the underlying elements which give effect to the UK's membership are a range of Acts of Parliaments and International Agreements confirmed by Votes within the Houses of Parliaments.

Based on the reality that the UK is a Parliamentary Democracy, it is only the Houses of Parliament who can overturn the various pieces of legislation or Agreements. Specifically, there is no precedent for a UK Government or Cabinet, to exercise authority of this nature without Parliamentary approval.

I could go on but you would enjoy reading the Judgement more.


It is really a good read and very well argued. Parliamentary debate and many hours of amendments went into creating the legislation upon which British membership of the EU became a legal reality. There' s no "Silver Bullet" piece of legislation that can overcome those various elements of EU Legislation without leaving big gaps in UK law regarding the rights (and duties) of citizens and UK Companies. This will be long and complex and there are relatively few surviving MPs in Parliament who were around when the original Debates occurred. A big learning curve on the way!
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Re: Brexit & Rugby

Postby Peg Leg » November 17th, 2016, 10:01 pm

Ruckedtobits wrote:
Ruckedtobits wrote:Essentially, this Judgement explains that the Referendum was essentially a 'blunt' instrument whereas the underlying elements which give effect to the UK's membership are a range of Acts of Parliaments and International Agreements confirmed by Votes within the Houses of Parliaments.

Based on the reality that the UK is a Parliamentary Democracy, it is only the Houses of Parliament who can overturn the various pieces of legislation or Agreements. Specifically, there is no precedent for a UK Government or Cabinet, to exercise authority of this nature without Parliamentary approval.

I could go on but you would enjoy reading the Judgement more.


It is really a good read and very well argued. Parliamentary debate and many hours of amendments went into creating the legislation upon which British membership of the EU became a legal reality. There' s no "Silver Bullet" piece of legislation that can overcome those various elements of EU Legislation without leaving big gaps in UK law regarding the rights (and duties) of citizens and UK Companies. This will be long and complex and there are relatively few surviving MPs in Parliament who were around when the original Debates occurred. A big learning curve on the way!

It's going to collapse in on itself isn't it?
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Re: Brexit & Rugby

Postby rooster » November 17th, 2016, 10:48 pm

Peg Leg wrote:
Ruckedtobits wrote:
Ruckedtobits wrote:Essentially, this Judgement explains that the Referendum was essentially a 'blunt' instrument whereas the underlying elements which give effect to the UK's membership are a range of Acts of Parliaments and International Agreements confirmed by Votes within the Houses of Parliaments.

Based on the reality that the UK is a Parliamentary Democracy, it is only the Houses of Parliament who can overturn the various pieces of legislation or Agreements. Specifically, there is no precedent for a UK Government or Cabinet, to exercise authority of this nature without Parliamentary approval.

I could go on but you would enjoy reading the Judgement more.


It is really a good read and very well argued. Parliamentary debate and many hours of amendments went into creating the legislation upon which British membership of the EU became a legal reality. There' s no "Silver Bullet" piece of legislation that can overcome those various elements of EU Legislation without leaving big gaps in UK law regarding the rights (and duties) of citizens and UK Companies. This will be long and complex and there are relatively few surviving MPs in Parliament who were around when the original Debates occurred. A big learning curve on the way!

It's going to collapse in on itself isn't it?

It could very easily, bit ironic that a lot of the Brexit voters were voting on getting back British Sovereignty etc and that is the very thing that is now keeping Brexit from happening, it shows how little they actually knew about the British constitution.
Cameron and the others including the Brexit supporters knew this was not simple before the vote but they were all assuming that the vote would be remain so never bothered with the fine print which would never have been even talked about if it had been remain even though it would have had to go to parliamentary vote to ratify the result.
It could well feck around in circles for a while and then an election could be the breaker, thing is even then whoever gets in will still have the mess to fix.
The British constitution is very complex and designed to protect the citizens from a few halfwit politicians from taking over the country and in the extreme the Queen is commander in chief of the armed forces and they have allegiance to her above any rogue dictatorship.
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Re: Brexit & Rugby

Postby TerenureJim » November 18th, 2016, 12:13 am

I thought the parliament had sovereign over the army, I seem to remember some lad named Charles lost his head over it?
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Re: Brexit & Rugby

Postby TerenureJim » November 18th, 2016, 12:19 am

Realistically is the best option for the UK not to just have an election based on people running on an in/out of EU platform. They're not going to redo the referendum but an election and a pro EU anti-post factual society government might give them an out from this mess they've gotten into.

Has Trump (much as I dislike him) talking to Angela and Enda before Theresa made England realise that they're not as important to the world as they thought......
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