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Re: Connacht 2016/17

Postby Logorrhea » April 26th, 2017, 11:23 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:Aki up on misconduct charge for abuse the ref during and after the game against us


Happy to hear that. He was way out of line and went way overboard. I dont care how badly you think things are going, you dont disrespect the ref in the manner that he did.
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Re: Connacht 2016/17

Postby enby » April 27th, 2017, 8:05 am

Big moment of truth facing Connacht: do they stand behind their seemingly unsettled star player or do they risk alienating him by supporting a core value of the game, respect for the ref? Presumably the fear of a Hartleyesque ban messing up their European Cup play-off chances will result in them defending the indefensible. A sad but inevitable downside of professional sport
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Re: Connacht 2016/17

Postby simonokeeffe » April 27th, 2017, 8:33 am

Logorrhea wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:Aki up on misconduct charge for abuse the ref during and after the game against us


Happy to hear that. He was way out of line and went way overboard. I dont care how badly you think things are going, you dont disrespect the ref in the manner that he did.


What exactly did he say?
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Re: Connacht 2016/17

Postby fourthirtythree » April 27th, 2017, 8:57 am

I think Muldoon bears some of the blame for this: he didn't tell Aki to shut the f%~k up and in effect egged him on by saying "I agree with him" rather than telling his player to shut up and then bringing his position to the ref. It's not like the ref wasn't available to listen and was disrespecting the players (a la Wayne Barnes somtiemes). And the ref should have carded him rather than offering three(?) warnings about his behaviour.
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Re: Connacht 2016/17

Postby Oldschool » April 27th, 2017, 9:49 am

fourthirtythree wrote:I think Muldoon bears some of the blame for this: he didn't tell Aki to shut the f%~k up and in effect egged him on by saying "I agree with him" rather than telling his player to shut up and then bringing his position to the ref. It's not like the ref wasn't available to listen and was disrespecting the players (a la Wayne Barnes somtiemes). And the ref should have carded him rather than offering three(?) warnings about his behaviour.

My impression of "I agree with him" was that the ref was telling Aki not to speak to him like 'that'.
Muldoon came and pulled/pushed Aki away and said "I agree with him" meaning shut the f^ck up and don't get yourself sent off.
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Re: Connacht 2016/17

Postby cormac » April 27th, 2017, 10:01 am

Oldschool wrote:
fourthirtythree wrote:I think Muldoon bears some of the blame for this: he didn't tell Aki to shut the f%~k up and in effect egged him on by saying "I agree with him" rather than telling his player to shut up and then bringing his position to the ref. It's not like the ref wasn't available to listen and was disrespecting the players (a la Wayne Barnes somtiemes). And the ref should have carded him rather than offering three(?) warnings about his behaviour.

My impression of "I agree with him" was that the ref was telling Aki not to speak to him like 'that'.
Muldoon came and pulled/pushed Aki away and said "I agree with him" meaning shut the f^ck up and don't get yourself sent off.
Just another take on it.


Think you're being very generous to Muldoon. It seemed pretty clear that he was agreeing with Aki.
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Re: Connacht 2016/17

Postby Dave Cahill » April 27th, 2017, 10:07 am

fourthirtythree wrote:I think Muldoon bears some of the blame for this: he didn't tell Aki to shut the f%~k up and in effect egged him on by saying "I agree with him" rather than telling his player to shut up and then bringing his position to the ref. It's not like the ref wasn't available to listen and was disrespecting the players (a la Wayne Barnes somtiemes). And the ref should have carded him rather than offering three(?) warnings about his behaviour.


I thought that was good ref management from Muldoon who is excellent in that area - by saying what he said, "to be honest, I agree with him", the way he said it and in the tone he used I thought he disarmed the situation nicely. He was basically saying "Yes Bundee is a busy bollox, but I'm the hugely respected and admired John Muldoon that you really like so if I'm saying that something is wrong you won't mind so much because liked, respected, etc".
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Re: Connacht 2016/17

Postby Oldschool » April 27th, 2017, 11:26 am

cormac wrote:
Oldschool wrote:
fourthirtythree wrote:I think Muldoon bears some of the blame for this: he didn't tell Aki to shut the f%~k up and in effect egged him on by saying "I agree with him" rather than telling his player to shut up and then bringing his position to the ref. It's not like the ref wasn't available to listen and was disrespecting the players (a la Wayne Barnes somtiemes). And the ref should have carded him rather than offering three(?) warnings about his behaviour.

My impression of "I agree with him" was that the ref was telling Aki not to speak to him like 'that'.
Muldoon came and pulled/pushed Aki away and said "I agree with him" meaning shut the f^ck up and don't get yourself sent off.
Just another take on it.


Think you're being very generous to Muldoon. It seemed pretty clear that he was agreeing with Aki.

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Re: Connacht 2016/17

Postby simonokeeffe » April 27th, 2017, 11:37 am

Dave Cahill wrote:
fourthirtythree wrote:I think Muldoon bears some of the blame for this: he didn't tell Aki to shut the f%~k up and in effect egged him on by saying "I agree with him" rather than telling his player to shut up and then bringing his position to the ref. It's not like the ref wasn't available to listen and was disrespecting the players (a la Wayne Barnes somtiemes). And the ref should have carded him rather than offering three(?) warnings about his behaviour.


I thought that was good ref management from Muldoon who is excellent in that area - by saying what he said, "to be honest, I agree with him", the way he said it and in the tone he used I thought he disarmed the situation nicely. He was basically saying "Yes Bundee is a busy bollox, but I'm the hugely respected and admired John Muldoon that you really like so if I'm saying that something is wrong you won't mind so much because liked, respected, etc".


I was about to post Muldoon is not great at dealing with refs! From what Ive seen hes too shouty and tempermental with them
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: Connacht 2016/17

Postby Dave Cahill » April 27th, 2017, 4:24 pm

3 match ban for Aki - able to play again from May 22
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Re: Connacht 2016/17

Postby ronk » April 27th, 2017, 5:34 pm

3 match ban where a yellow card was called for.

I'm not defending Ali, but i definitely think it was badly handled.
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Re: Connacht 2016/17

Postby fourthirtythree » April 27th, 2017, 5:42 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:
fourthirtythree wrote:I think Muldoon bears some of the blame for this: he didn't tell Aki to shut the f%~k up and in effect egged him on by saying "I agree with him" rather than telling his player to shut up and then bringing his position to the ref. It's not like the ref wasn't available to listen and was disrespecting the players (a la Wayne Barnes somtiemes). And the ref should have carded him rather than offering three(?) warnings about his behaviour.


I thought that was good ref management from Muldoon who is excellent in that area - by saying what he said, "to be honest, I agree with him", the way he said it and in the tone he used I thought he disarmed the situation nicely. He was basically saying "Yes Bundee is a busy bollox, but I'm the hugely respected and admired John Muldoon that you really like so if I'm saying that something is wrong you won't mind so much because liked, respected, etc".


IIRC (and I often don't) the ref had already asked Muldoon to have a word with his team about backchat, he was this time calling out Aki for being over the top. Muldoon should have told Aki to STFU right then, shown he was a good boy, and then sought a word about their issues.

I agree a yellow would have been appropriate, but it would have been the correct decision but he kept at it after he should have got a card. And at it...
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Re: Connacht 2016/17

Postby simonokeeffe » April 27th, 2017, 7:40 pm

Danie Poolman, Nepia Fox-Matamua, Rory Parata, Shane O’Leary, Lewis Stevenson, Rory Moloney, Josh Rowland and Ivan Soroka leaving #Connacht. Loughneys retirement confirmed

Surprised at Stevenson, doesnt have the ball skills admittedly they like in a lock
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Re: Connacht 2016/17

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » April 27th, 2017, 8:56 pm

I don't think a yellow would have been sufficient, fully deserves the ban IMO. I don't mind a bit of back chat tbh, but he crossed the line and walking off on the ref was particularly bad.
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Re: Connacht 2016/17

Postby fourthirtythree » April 27th, 2017, 10:34 pm

I can't speak for anyone else but I meant a yellow during the match, relatively early, would have dealt with it and probably shut him up. Not that I'd a problem with a ban for the persistent behaviour.

His captain and the ref indulging him did Connacht no favours in the end.
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Re: Connacht 2016/17

Postby ronk » April 27th, 2017, 10:53 pm

I don't know what he said after the match, but anything during the match was dealt with by the referee, whether it was satisfactory or not, and isn't relevant as anything other than evidence that the player was in an agitated state.
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Re: Connacht 2016/17

Postby sunshiner1 » April 28th, 2017, 9:55 am

All change at Connacht. Feel sorry for Soroka who didn't get a chance to impress at all due to injury.

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Re: Connacht 2016/17

Postby olaf the fat » April 28th, 2017, 1:46 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:
fourthirtythree wrote:I think Muldoon bears some of the blame for this: he didn't tell Aki to shut the f%~k up and in effect egged him on by saying "I agree with him" rather than telling his player to shut up and then bringing his position to the ref. It's not like the ref wasn't available to listen and was disrespecting the players (a la Wayne Barnes somtiemes). And the ref should have carded him rather than offering three(?) warnings about his behaviour.


I thought that was good ref management from Muldoon who is excellent in that area - by saying what he said, "to be honest, I agree with him", the way he said it and in the tone he used I thought he disarmed the situation nicely. He was basically saying "Yes Bundee is a busy bollox, but I'm the hugely respected and admired John Muldoon that you really like so if I'm saying that something is wrong you won't mind so much because liked, respected, etc".


You are spot on about Muldoon's intervention, It gave enough doubt to Davis to keep the card in his pocket. I think the whole issue would have slipped only for whatever Bundee Aki did after the final whistle.

Last season he was great, but connacht just about managed when he was injured. I hope they can make to and through the euro play offs
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Re: Connacht 2016/17

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » April 29th, 2017, 8:09 pm

Connacht have been a shambles so far.
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Re: Connacht 2016/17

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » April 29th, 2017, 8:11 pm

Bonus point try conceded after half an hour...dreadful.
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