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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby simonokeeffe » April 2nd, 2017, 9:13 pm

Dave Cahill wrote:So to sum up, far from being thrown out the door by old-man Heaslip, Ryan has actually wanted to get out of Munster for a while now and would prefer to play for Leinster than Munster, and if he can't move to Leinster would rather leave the english speaking world than stay in Munster.

Cool? Cool.


and if he had have moved here we probably wouldnt have signed Fardy
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby Dave Cahill » April 2nd, 2017, 9:15 pm

Yep - I could have lived with that alright
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby munster#1 » April 2nd, 2017, 10:46 pm

Funny how certain posters pick and choose which unsubstantiated article is acceptable to take as fact.
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby janeymac08 » April 2nd, 2017, 11:51 pm

paddyor wrote:
janeymac08 wrote:......

His competition was POC. He says himself in that article he reinvented himself as a blindside flanker to make the 2011 world cup (I think he beat Dev Toner to the squad).

I think Schmidt & Nucifora thought that Ryan would never leave Munster as he had struck with Munster through thick and thin and they would get him on the cheap when they needed him.

Ryan called their bluff.

According to Murray Kinsella, Ryan wanted out of his contract last year. Your line of thinking doesn't really add up. What/when were the thick and thin parts that Ryan stuck with Munster?


When he was behind POC, DOC & MOD. He turned down an offer by Cheika in 2006 to move to Leinster where he would have been a first choice lock with Mal.
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby janeymac08 » April 2nd, 2017, 11:55 pm

Ruckedtobits wrote:Peter O'Reilly in ST really adding fuel to this topic today as he suggests that DR sought a move to Leinster last Season (ostensively because his girlfriend was based in Dublin) and then declined to negotiate with IRFU / Munster after November window this Season, whilst Jamie did just that.

Pretty heady stuff if true. PO'R also links Ryan's decision making with the future of Rassie in Munster and he, fairly strongly, links the dots to Rassie taking Springbok job imminently.


Any know why he didn't move to Leinster or did Leinster not want him? You would imagine Nucifora & Schmidt would have been all for having Toner and Ryan playing together, just like how they were happy that Henshaw moved to Leinster because he could build up a good playing partnerhship with Sexton.
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby Munsterboy » April 3rd, 2017, 12:28 am

janeymac08 wrote:
Any know why he didn't move to Leinster or did Leinster not want him? You would imagine Nucifora & Schmidt would have been all for having Toner and Ryan playing together, just like how they were happy that Henshaw moved to Leinster because he could build up a good playing partnerhship with Sexton.


Smells like bullshit to me. It makes no sense that either the IRFU would have blocked it or Leinster wouldn't have jumped at the chance to sign him. Leo knows a hard b$&%@#d of a second row when he sees one.

Munster people are pissed off that the IRFU have f%~ked up and are losing him to Racing. What better way to counter that anger than to paint him as a disloyal player who wanted to move to the Pale? It's spin.
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby Oldschoolsocks » April 3rd, 2017, 6:49 am

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janeymac08 wrote:
Any know why he didn't move to Leinster or did Leinster not want him? You would imagine Nucifora & Schmidt would have been all for having Toner and Ryan playing together, just like how they were happy that Henshaw moved to Leinster because he could build up a good playing partnerhship with Sexton.


Smells like bullshit to me. It makes no sense that either the IRFU would have blocked it or Leinster wouldn't have jumped at the chance to sign him. Leo knows a hard b$&%@#d of a second row when he sees one.

Munster people are pissed off that the IRFU have f%~ked up and are losing him to Racing. What better way to counter that anger than to paint him as a disloyal player who wanted to move to the Pale? It's spin.


DR is not and never was a disloyal player, he wanted out of Munster mid contract - the refusal to let a provincial player break a contract to move to another province is very plausible as on a system level how would you control a playing staff if they knew they had the option to break contract and leave for another province unilaterally - also very likely that Munster branch and any of their reps in IRFU would block such a move.
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby fourthirtythree » April 3rd, 2017, 8:59 am

Something something, Andrew Conway, something...

Different kettle of fish I know, but they can let someone break a contract when they want/don't care that much.
Anyway, Ryan they can replace, hard, but they can.

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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby Golf Man » April 3rd, 2017, 9:36 am

Lot of guff flowing around on this - from all sides - simple fact is that we don't know

One thing that puts a lot of doubt on those IRFU reports though - the suggestion that if he had negotiated in November a central contract was on the table but now it isn't - hard to believe thats not rubbish - his stock has risen since November, very hard to see what has changed for him to be in a worse position?

He will be a massive loss and don't see Schmidt selecting him - he is not at the top top level that demands exception from the approach of selection of overseas based players a la Sexton (very few in that position at the moment apart from Sexton and Murray) - selecting him could open the floodgates a bit.

Not to make it a Heaslip thing but looking at Conan at the weekend and Stander obviously - certainly don't think we should be hitching ourselves to Heaslip for the next two years
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby fourthirtythree » April 3rd, 2017, 10:13 am

You don't *have* to select a player because he's on a central contract, the IRFU can call who they want up from the system and enforce the same player game time management protocols. Which they do all the time.
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby Edna Kenny » April 3rd, 2017, 10:28 am

I was thinking there whilst watching the game on Saturday, Triggs to Munster might make sense if he's leaving us. Thought he had a great game, he was popping up everywhere. He seems to like Ireland. Might be a good fit in the circumstances.
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby Cor. Ind. » April 3rd, 2017, 11:05 am

Drole de drame... :cry:
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby wixfjord » April 3rd, 2017, 11:17 am

Murray Kinsella said the same thing last week about Ryan wanting to move last year.
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby Cor. Ind. » April 3rd, 2017, 11:17 am

Oldschoolsocks wrote:
DR is not and never was a disloyal player, he wanted out of Munster mid contract


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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby janeymac08 » April 3rd, 2017, 11:39 am

Oldschoolsocks wrote:
Munsterboy wrote:
janeymac08 wrote:
Any know why he didn't move to Leinster or did Leinster not want him? You would imagine Nucifora & Schmidt would have been all for having Toner and Ryan playing together, just like how they were happy that Henshaw moved to Leinster because he could build up a good playing partnerhship with Sexton.


Smells like bullshit to me. It makes no sense that either the IRFU would have blocked it or Leinster wouldn't have jumped at the chance to sign him. Leo knows a hard b$&%@#d of a second row when he sees one.

Munster people are pissed off that the IRFU have f%~ked up and are losing him to Racing. What better way to counter that anger than to paint him as a disloyal player who wanted to move to the Pale? It's spin.


DR is not and never was a disloyal player, he wanted out of Munster mid contract - the refusal to let a provincial player break a contract to move to another province is very plausible as on a system level how would you control a playing staff if they knew they had the option to break contract and leave for another province unilaterally - also very likely that Munster branch and any of their reps in IRFU would block such a move.


POC was allowed leave Munster mid contract. James Coughlan was allowed leave mid contract, Plumtree was allowed leave mid-contract. Tony McGahan was allowed leave mid-contract, DOC was allowed leave mid contract.

Leaving mid-contract isn't exactly new within Irish rugby. Is Ryan the first player to be refused.
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby Munsterboy » April 3rd, 2017, 12:32 pm

It's illogical that the IRFU would block it at all. It tends to be counter productive because stopping an unhappy player from moving within the system generally results in them leaving the system altogether.

Howeve, even if they did block it back then, why wouldn't it be happening now instead? I'm sure Leinster would still like to have him instead of an NIQ and he wouldn't have been breaking a contract with Munster.

It doesn't add up. Fact remains he'd probably be staying in Ireland if the IRFU had offered a CC. They didn't and he isn't. That's bad for Irish and Muster rugby and it's on them.
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » April 3rd, 2017, 12:38 pm

If he left Munster they'd have had to replace him though.
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby Oldschoolsocks » April 3rd, 2017, 1:06 pm

janeymac08 wrote:
Oldschoolsocks wrote:
Munsterboy wrote:[quote="janeymac08"]

Any know why he didn't move to Leinster or did Leinster not want him? You would imagine Nucifora & Schmidt would have been all for having Toner and Ryan playing together, just like how they were happy that Henshaw moved to Leinster because he could build up a good playing partnerhship with Sexton.


Smells like bullshit to me. It makes no sense that either the IRFU would have blocked it or Leinster wouldn't have jumped at the chance to sign him. Leo knows a hard b$&%@#d of a second row when he sees one.

Munster people are pissed off that the IRFU have f%~ked up and are losing him to Racing. What better way to counter that anger than to paint him as a disloyal player who wanted to move to the Pale? It's spin.


DR is not and never was a disloyal player, he wanted out of Munster mid contract - the refusal to let a provincial player break a contract to move to another province is very plausible as on a system level how would you control a playing staff if they knew they had the option to break contract and leave for another province unilaterally - also very likely that Munster branch and any of their reps in IRFU would block such a move.


POC was allowed leave Munster mid contract. James Coughlan was allowed leave mid contract, Plumtree was allowed leave mid-contract. Tony McGahan was allowed leave mid-contract, DOC was allowed leave mid contract.

Leaving mid-contract isn't exactly new within Irish rugby. Is Ryan the first player to be refused.[/quote]

None of the above players left to play with another province in Ireland. There's a huge difference between going abroad and going to another province.
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby Oldschoolsocks » April 3rd, 2017, 1:09 pm

Cor. Ind. wrote:
Oldschoolsocks wrote:
DR is not and never was a disloyal player, he wanted out of Munster mid contract


:? ... :lol:


Wanting to break a contract is not disloyal. Disloyal would be wanting to break a contract and if not allowed to then not performing to the best of your abilities for your province.

So DR gave his heart and souls for Munster Rugby for the duration of his contract even though he had intimated he wanted out - far from being disloyal it is in fact very loyal.
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby Oldschoolsocks » April 3rd, 2017, 1:11 pm

Oldschoolsocks wrote:
janeymac08 wrote:
Oldschoolsocks wrote:[quote="Munsterboy"][quote="janeymac08"]

Any know why he didn't move to Leinster or did Leinster not want him? You would imagine Nucifora & Schmidt would have been all for having Toner and Ryan playing together, just like how they were happy that Henshaw moved to Leinster because he could build up a good playing partnerhship with Sexton.


Smells like bullshit to me. It makes no sense that either the IRFU would have blocked it or Leinster wouldn't have jumped at the chance to sign him. Leo knows a hard b$&%@#d of a second row when he sees one.

Munster people are pissed off that the IRFU have f%~ked up and are losing him to Racing. What better way to counter that anger than to paint him as a disloyal player who wanted to move to the Pale? It's spin.


DR is not and never was a disloyal player, he wanted out of Munster mid contract - the refusal to let a provincial player break a contract to move to another province is very plausible as on a system level how would you control a playing staff if they knew they had the option to break contract and leave for another province unilaterally - also very likely that Munster branch and any of their reps in IRFU would block such a move.


POC was allowed leave Munster mid contract. James Coughlan was allowed leave mid contract, Plumtree was allowed leave mid-contract. Tony McGahan was allowed leave mid-contract, DOC was allowed leave mid contract.

Leaving mid-contract isn't exactly new within Irish rugby. Is Ryan the first player to be refused.[/quote]

None of the above players left to play with another province in Ireland. There's a huge difference between going abroad and going to another province.

EDIT - you'll also note that the POC and Coughlan moves were bilateral agreed, not unilateral .[/quote]
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