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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby janeymac08 » April 3rd, 2017, 1:22 pm

Oldschoolsocks wrote:
Oldschoolsocks wrote:None of the above players left to play with another province in Ireland. There's a huge difference between going abroad and going to another province.

EDIT - you'll also note that the POC and Coughlan moves were bilateral agreed, not unilateral .


So, the IRFU would prefer to lose a top Irish player to a foreign club (who the Provinces will probably be competing against) rather than move them to another Province?

Something seriously wrong with that thinking.
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Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby Oldschoolsocks » April 3rd, 2017, 2:31 pm

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Oldschoolsocks wrote:None of the above players left to play with another province in Ireland. There's a huge difference between going abroad and going to another province.

EDIT - you'll also note that the POC and Coughlan moves were bilateral agreed, not unilateral .


So, the IRFU would prefer to lose a top Irish player to a foreign club (who the Provinces will probably be competing against) rather than move them to another Province?

Something seriously wrong with that thinking.


Hold on, so what you're trying to say is that the IRFU knew that Donnacha Ryan would sign for a foreign club if he was not allowed move to Leinster?

If that's what you're trying to say that in itself is as backwards an argument as I've ever seen.
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby ronk » April 3rd, 2017, 10:21 pm

Munsterboy wrote:It's illogical that the IRFU would block it at all. It tends to be counter productive because stopping an unhappy player from moving within the system generally results in them leaving the system altogether.

Howeve, even if they did block it back then, why wouldn't it be happening now instead? I'm sure Leinster would still like to have him instead of an NIQ and he wouldn't have been breaking a contract with Munster.

It doesn't add up. Fact remains he'd probably be staying in Ireland if the IRFU had offered a CC. They didn't and he isn't. That's bad for Irish and Muster rugby and it's on them.


It might be on him.

The central contracts system was never to built to match every offer from an overseas club. It was supposed to hold strategically important players by trying to ensure that the difference in offers was small enough for players to be facilitated to decide to stay.

If he wants to go badly enough, it's hard to keep him. There's only so much money to go around. There was cash to repatriate JJ and sign Farrell. The funds showed up to sign medical jokers. If he's playing hardball then the probably can sign someone cheaper.
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby blockhead » April 4th, 2017, 8:37 am

Garret Fitz confirming Ryan is off.
“Obviously you don’t want to lose your best players, Donnacha was in the prime of his career, it’s been proven that second rows play their best from 28, 30 years of age plus.

“We had a very amicable relationship with Donnacha and we still do, he’ll give us 100% to the end of the seasons, and now he’s decided to go elsewhere to play, we’ll be the first to wish him the best of luck.

“We’re disappointed to lose him but that’s what happens - you have to move on, think of the future and to realise there are other people who will get opportunities they mightn’t have gotten before. That happens in all sports.”


It seems pretty obvious now that he wanted out of Munster one way or another
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby Cor. Ind. » April 4th, 2017, 9:38 am

blockhead wrote:Garret Fitz confirming Ryan is off.
“Obviously you don’t want to lose your best players, Donnacha was in the prime of his career, it’s been proven that second rows play their best from 28, 30 years of age plus.

“We had a very amicable relationship with Donnacha and we still do, he’ll give us 100% to the end of the seasons, and now he’s decided to go elsewhere to play, we’ll be the first to wish him the best of luck.

“We’re disappointed to lose him but that’s what happens - you have to move on, think of the future and to realise there are other people who will get opportunities they mightn’t have gotten before. That happens in all sports.”


It seems pretty obvious now that he wanted out of Munster one way or another
Best of luck to the lad, still though, pity.


His beef is clearly with the IRFU who either didn't give him a cc and/or low balled him on salary.

It's no surprise he wanted out of Munster last year. Foley's reign was a disaster, unfortunately. I'm amazed that he would choose RCM over Munster now though...though this all appears to have been done and dusted back in the fall - hence DR being dropped for the Scotland 6N game...and we know how well that went...sloe Joe... :roll:
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby Oldschoolsocks » April 4th, 2017, 10:09 am

Well looks like Triggs to Munster now - mores the pity, I like Triggs he's a good footballer
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby blockhead » April 4th, 2017, 10:17 am

Another NIQ?
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby Dave Cahill » April 4th, 2017, 10:18 am

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His beef is clearly with the IRFU who either didn't give him a cc and/or low balled him on salary.


No, his beef is with Munster Rugby. When he had a central contract he wanted to leave, when he didn't have a central contract he wanted to leave. He simply wanted to leave.
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby Cor. Ind. » April 4th, 2017, 10:43 am

Dave Cahill wrote:
Cor. Ind. wrote:
His beef is clearly with the IRFU who either didn't give him a cc and/or low balled him on salary.


No, his beef is with Munster Rugby. When he had a central contract he wanted to leave, when he didn't have a central contract he wanted to leave. He simply wanted to leave.


He's never had a beef with Munster. He considered his options back in 2011 when he felt stuck between a rock (poc/doc) and a hard place - i.e. the heralded (fools gold) emergence of Nagle & Foley after the Munster Victory over the Aussies in Nov 2010.

As I said no one could blame him for wanting to leave a sinking ship last year. Leinster was obviously his preferred option, as it both allowed him to remain within the ambit of his cc and also live in the same city as his partner. The IRFU refused and relations soured...Rassie in his press conference last week completely contradicted POR's IRFU hit piece in the ST. I know which one I'd believe.

The real tragedy - reading between the lines of Rassie's sage words - is keeping guys like Rob & Jamie on CCs when we have so much talent @8 & 15 coming through, while the cupboard is bare @lock...plus ca change...
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby scentofgunpowder » April 4th, 2017, 11:05 am

Cor. Ind. wrote:
Dave Cahill wrote:
Cor. Ind. wrote:
His beef is clearly with the IRFU who either didn't give him a cc and/or low balled him on salary.


No, his beef is with Munster Rugby. When he had a central contract he wanted to leave, when he didn't have a central contract he wanted to leave. He simply wanted to leave.


He's never had a beef with Munster. He considered his options back in 2011 when he felt stuck between a rock (poc/doc) and a hard place - i.e. the heralded (fools gold) emergence of Nagle & Foley after the Munster Victory over the Aussies in Nov 2010.

As I said no one could blame him for wanting to leave a sinking ship last year. Leinster was obviously his preferred option, as it both allowed him to remain within the ambit of his cc and also live in the same city as his partner. The IRFU refused and relations soured...Rassie in his press conference last week completely contradicted POR's IRFU hit piece in the ST. I know which one I'd believe.

The real tragedy - reading between the lines of Rassie's sage words - is keeping guys like Rob & Jamie on CCs when we have so much talent @8 & 15 coming through, while the cupboard is bare @lock...plus ca change...


Kearney's contract was renewed in November 2014 when there was no sign of talented fullbacks coming through
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby Golf Man » April 4th, 2017, 12:10 pm

scentofgunpowder wrote:
Kearney's contract was renewed in November 2014 when there was no sign of talented fullbacks coming through


Payne/Zebo/Olding??? I can understand why they would have backed Kearney tbh although a 2 year contract might have made more sense ( I don't see a whole lot of sense in players contracts being up the year before a world cup and pretty sure he had injury problems before that although may be wrong in that )

There are still a lot of people writing as if they know the detailed ins and outs - we simply don't and it appears as much as anything that Munster and IRFU are spinning this like made because no one comes out of this well. We should not be losing one of our key players in a relatively weak position depth wise. If (and its a very very big if) Ryan wanted to move to Leinster then its an all mighty balls up by the IRFU - Signing Fardy when you could have had Ryan.

Wouldn't be at all surprised if its as simple as a call being made that he didn't warrant one of the very few and very valuable central contracts (a decision that has to have been taken in the knowledge that he would likely have bigger offers than Munster could match). Its no surprise to me that this Ryan is prepared to move - he has hinted at it before and probably hasn't had a relatively speaking very lucrative career, until the last couple of years). Making that decision is justifiable, although its a bit of shot in the dark.

What it does bring to light is the limitations of central contracts, and the problems that can arise from investing too much in the wrong player - I don't agree with Heaslips contract for example, and Bowe afaik has a contract through to June 2018 which is mad to think about now.
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby paddyor » April 4th, 2017, 12:43 pm

Well here's what we do know.
He wanted out last year. He was refused. He's leaving now.

And good a player as he is, he wouldn't be the top earning bracket in the top 14. The IRFu/Munster could at least match most of the offer.
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby paddyor » April 4th, 2017, 12:45 pm

Golf Man wrote:....
What it does bring to light is the limitations of central contracts, and the problems that can arise from investing too much in the wrong player - I don't agree with Heaslips contract for example, and Bowe afaik has a contract through to June 2018 which is mad to think about now.

No It doesn't. That's an entirely separate issue that's been tagged on to this saga by people with an agenda.
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby Laighin Break » April 4th, 2017, 1:13 pm

Golf Man wrote:
scentofgunpowder wrote:
Kearney's contract was renewed in November 2014 when there was no sign of talented fullbacks coming through


Payne/Zebo/Olding??? I can understand why they would have backed Kearney tbh although a 2 year contract might have made more sense ( I don't see a whole lot of sense in players contracts being up the year before a world cup and pretty sure he had injury problems before that although may be wrong in that )


Payne was viewed as the potential replacement for BOD at 13, and Olding and Zebo most likely viewed as a centre and a winger that can cover fullback.
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Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby Oldschoolsocks » April 4th, 2017, 1:15 pm

I just think denying DR his dream move to Leinster is a travesty, and for some Munster fans (not all on here) to say he is disloyal for wanting such a move is a bit bitter and uncalled for.
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby Oldschool » April 4th, 2017, 1:19 pm

The facts as we know them.
1. A year ago he wanted out.
2. A year ago Munster in disarray.
3. A year ago, Age over 30, still applies.
4. A year ago he had a buddy coaching with Racing.
5. A year later buddy still coaching in Racibg.
6. Buddy coach in Racing is a guy he could trust.
7. Buddy coach etc says the money is good and can probably fix the girlfriend up with a job too.
Conclusion
Ryan takes buddy's etc advice and signs up with Racing.
QED.
Epilogue.
Ryan, at press conference, says a lot of nice things about Munster etc and that Racing are a great club etc and that while it was one of the toughest decisions he has had to make he's glad that the matter is finally concluded.
He'd like once again to thank everyone in Munster, Joe, David and the IRFU.
Finally he'd just like to wish Rassie all the best when he takes up his new role as South African coach.
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby janeymac08 » April 5th, 2017, 12:02 am

Oldschool wrote:The facts as we know them.
1. A year ago he wanted out.
2. A year ago Munster in disarray.
3. A year ago, Age over 30, still applies.
4. A year ago he had a buddy coaching with Racing.
5. A year later buddy still coaching in Racibg.
6. Buddy coach in Racing is a guy he could trust.
7. Buddy coach etc says the money is good and can probably fix the girlfriend up with a job too.
Conclusion
Ryan takes buddy's etc advice and signs up with Racing.
QED.
Epilogue.
Ryan, at press conference, says a lot of nice things about Munster etc and that Racing are a great club etc and that while it was one of the toughest decisions he has had to make he's glad that the matter is finally concluded.
He'd like once again to thank everyone in Munster, Joe, David and the IRFU.
Finally he'd just like to wish Rassie all the best when he takes up his new role as South African coach.


Putting it out there that Ryan wanted a transfer to Leinster last year looks like an attempt by the IRFU to deflect blame from themselves for making a bags of it. Really poor form from them.
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby bamboozle » April 5th, 2017, 7:17 am

No offer of a central contract
therefore if Munster want to keep the player (described this week by Garret Fitzgerald as in his prime) they had to offer a decent contract
Munster's CEO & bean counters can quite simply work out that there is is $$$ being freed up at end of current season with the contracts of 2 other 2nd rows ending (Ryan and Chilsom)
Munster have also been able to arrange the finance this season for numerous short-term signing (including 2 South African internationals)
so, to me its a case of Munster offered a p1ss poor contract or the player was leaving anyway and his mind was made up - i'm thinking its very much a case of the latter.

either way Munster should have some decent money freed up from their departing players to be able to afford a decent replacement.

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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby Peg Leg » April 5th, 2017, 7:44 am

Am I wrong in understanding that the difference here is the irfu will not sanction more than s 2 year contract but that R92 are offering 3yrs?
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Re: Donnacha Ryan to Racing rumours

Postby Cor. Ind. » April 5th, 2017, 9:22 am

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