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Postby Golf Man » April 7th, 2017, 1:04 pm

wixfjord wrote:Andrew Conway; Darren Sweetnam, Francis Saili, Jaco Taute, Ronan O’Mahony; Tyler Bleyendaal, Duncan Williams; James Cronin, Rhys Marshall, Stephen Archer; Dave O’Callaghan, Billy Holland – capt.; Jean Deysel, Conor Oliver, Jack O’Donoghue.

Replacements:Niall Scannell, Dave Kilcoyne, John Ryan, Donnacha Ryan, Peter O’Mahony, Angus Lloyd, Rory Scannell, Simon Zebo.

So Deysel is a lock replacement is he?


Well he was signed t cover the loss of Kleyn and Foley for the rest of the season - this is exactly what he is doing??
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Re: Munster 2016-2017

Postby Laighin Break » April 7th, 2017, 1:20 pm

Saili and Taute both starting in centre?! I thought there were reassurances that that wouldn't happen...
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Re: Munster 2016-2017

Postby Lar » April 7th, 2017, 1:28 pm

That was my immediate reaction also....
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Re: Munster 2016-2017

Postby Peg Leg » April 7th, 2017, 1:40 pm

simonokeeffe wrote:
wixfjord wrote:Jaysus both ROG and Jackman would be a serious step down from Rassie.
Couldn't see a ROG with Nienaber scenario working out either.


latter smacks of Penney & Foley

ROG seems to be taking a very measured/long term eye to his coaching ambitions

You mean he's waiting until they are at a lower ebb?
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Re: Munster 2016-2017

Postby Peg Leg » April 7th, 2017, 1:42 pm

Laighin Break wrote:Saili and Taute both starting in centre?! I thought there were reassurances that that wouldn't happen...

Rassie has his employers right where he wants them now.
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Re: Munster 2016-2017

Postby Lar » April 7th, 2017, 1:45 pm

Peg Leg wrote:
Laighin Break wrote:Saili and Taute both starting in centre?! I thought there were reassurances that that wouldn't happen...

Rassie has his employers right where he wants them now.


Could also be that he feels it's the best centre pairing and hang whatever the IRFU wants. He may be looking at them for the rest of the season (or the big games anyway). I have sympathy with him if he's trying to win an ECC semi final against a side like current champions Saracens.
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Re: Munster 2016-2017

Postby olaf the fat » April 7th, 2017, 1:50 pm

It's what we'd want Leo/Burt to do it the shoe was on this foot
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Re: Munster 2016-2017

Postby Laighin Break » April 7th, 2017, 2:34 pm

Lar wrote:
Peg Leg wrote:
Laighin Break wrote:Saili and Taute both starting in centre?! I thought there were reassurances that that wouldn't happen...

Rassie has his employers right where he wants them now.


Could also be that he feels it's the best centre pairing and hang whatever the IRFU wants. He may be looking at them for the rest of the season (or the big games anyway). I have sympathy with him if he's trying to win an ECC semi final against a side like current champions Saracens.


Is it a sign that he's on the way out, so doesn't care about the 'rules' anymore?

If the shoe were on the other foot, I'd definitely rather have Scannel starting.
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Re: Munster 2016-2017

Postby munster#1 » April 7th, 2017, 3:12 pm

Laighin Break wrote:Saili and Taute both starting in centre?! I thought there were reassurances that that wouldn't happen...


Have you a source for that?
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Re: Munster 2016-2017

Postby Laighin Break » April 7th, 2017, 3:21 pm

I'd have to trawl back through this thread as it was discussed quite a bit before
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Re: Munster 2016-2017

Postby wixfjord » April 7th, 2017, 3:28 pm

Golf Man wrote:
wixfjord wrote:Andrew Conway; Darren Sweetnam, Francis Saili, Jaco Taute, Ronan O’Mahony; Tyler Bleyendaal, Duncan Williams; James Cronin, Rhys Marshall, Stephen Archer; Dave O’Callaghan, Billy Holland – capt.; Jean Deysel, Conor Oliver, Jack O’Donoghue.

Replacements:Niall Scannell, Dave Kilcoyne, John Ryan, Donnacha Ryan, Peter O’Mahony, Angus Lloyd, Rory Scannell, Simon Zebo.

So Deysel is a lock replacement is he?


Well he was signed t cover the loss of Kleyn and Foley for the rest of the season - this is exactly what he is doing??


Oh you'd have to stretch things a bit to spin it that way.
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Re: Munster 2016-2017

Postby Golf Man » April 7th, 2017, 4:29 pm

wixfjord wrote:
Golf Man wrote:
wixfjord wrote:Andrew Conway; Darren Sweetnam, Francis Saili, Jaco Taute, Ronan O’Mahony; Tyler Bleyendaal, Duncan Williams; James Cronin, Rhys Marshall, Stephen Archer; Dave O’Callaghan, Billy Holland – capt.; Jean Deysel, Conor Oliver, Jack O’Donoghue.

Replacements:Niall Scannell, Dave Kilcoyne, John Ryan, Donnacha Ryan, Peter O’Mahony, Angus Lloyd, Rory Scannell, Simon Zebo.

So Deysel is a lock replacement is he?


Well he was signed t cover the loss of Kleyn and Foley for the rest of the season - this is exactly what he is doing??


Oh you'd have to stretch things a bit to spin it that way.

Oh you wouldn't- deysel is playing in this game - if foley was available he would be playing

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Re: Munster 2016-2017

Postby simonokeeffe » April 7th, 2017, 4:36 pm

am going to have to collude with the enemy here, DOC2 playing out of position at lock and Sucking in the backrow covers the loss of the locks

if POM was playing then DOC2 would probably still be at lock
When he spreads his legs like that youd need dynamite or the Highland Light Infantry to shift him.
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Re: Munster 2016-2017

Postby wixfjord » April 7th, 2017, 4:37 pm

Aye, and are all of Madigan, O'Shea, McCarthy, Whcyerley, Coombes, Chisholm, Copeland, TOD unavailable too?

What did the Munster press release say when he joined?
With Jean Kleyn already ruled out due to a neck injury, the additional blow to the second row options sees Director of Rugby Rassie Erasmus call on the services of Sharks lock Jean Deysel on a three-month loan.


Did anyone really believe he was a lock?!
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Re: Munster 2016-2017

Postby munster#1 » April 7th, 2017, 8:39 pm

Laighin Break wrote:I'd have to trawl back through this thread as it was discussed quite a bit before


So your source is some random posters on the internet.
That's hardly a reliable source?
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Re: Munster 2016-2017

Postby fourthirtythree » April 7th, 2017, 9:36 pm

Well we were led to believe this was the case by the Munster posters on here who claimed to be in the know.

We now know not to trust those sources. So thanks for that.
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Re: Munster 2016-2017

Postby Timbit » April 7th, 2017, 10:14 pm

fourthirtythree wrote:Well we were led to believe this was the case by the Munster posters on here who claimed to be in the know.

We now know not to trust those sources. So thanks for that.


Jesus this is hysterical stuff. Nacewa and Kirchener have both covered positions they weren't signed for. CALL NUCIFORAON THE OUTRAGE PHONE
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Re: Munster 2016-2017

Postby fourthirtythree » April 7th, 2017, 11:17 pm

Meh. You could do that.

Or you could just face the inevitable that when a province signs two experienced centres they will actually play them ahead of developing Irish talent if at all possible. I mean, it's what they are paying for.

If the IRFU are happy. and they are paying for this, then they should be happy. And maybe they don't rate some Irish players as highly as most people do. And, obviously, the insider information that was vouched here from Munster posters was just actual pure distilled bullshit.
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Re: Munster 2016-2017

Postby ronk » April 8th, 2017, 12:05 am

Timbit wrote:
fourthirtythree wrote:Well we were led to believe this was the case by the Munster posters on here who claimed to be in the know.

We now know not to trust those sources. So thanks for that.


Jesus this is hysterical stuff. Nacewa and Kirchener have both covered positions they weren't signed for. CALL NUCIFORAON THE OUTRAGE PHONE


What you do with NIQ signings (especially when their versatility was one of the reasons they were signed) when they're in quota isn't the same thing as signing internationals from top countries as medical jokers when you've gone way, way past the quota and promptly moving them to a different position.

They paid the big money to get them, they may as well play them for as long as they perform. But posters here called out the rationale for the signings as being on a flimsy pretext and it's pretty clear that they were right.
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Re: Munster 2016-2017

Postby RAILWAY1 » April 8th, 2017, 12:27 am

A coach's job is to put the best possible team on the field to get the best possible result for his employers at all times. Rassie Erasmus works within the rules as set down by the IRFU regarding NIQs even if at times it seems a bit close to the edge.
1] Jaco Taute is primarily a centre who can cover other backline positions and has already done so
2] Some people go on about Deysel playing in the back row but players in the back 5 of most packs are interchangeable between back and second rows (back five of pack) e.g. Henderson. 8)
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