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Re: Ulster 2017 - 2018

Postby desperado » July 25th, 2017, 11:18 pm

Ruckedtobits wrote:
leinsterforever wrote:They often have to make do without Olding, but losing Jackson for a large chunk of the season could end up being disastrous


Very, very serious challenge for the two guys and a major wake-up shout for all sports stars - no matter what the outcome.

This is the sort of situation which has been more familiar in the NFL in the past and more recently with high profile soccer stars across Europe.

Profile and reputation don't win matches, but they are the core components in generating sporting income.

Hope the lads have a just outcome.


I'm sure you hope that justice prevails.
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Re: Ulster 2017 - 2018

Postby sunshiner1 » July 26th, 2017, 4:28 am

I remember that Mils Muliana was charged with sexual assault a while back. The police came to his hotel room in Wales arrested him and led him away in handcuffs. It turned out he had allegedly pinched some girls ass in a nightclub. It was thrown out after a few months as rubbish and while I in no way condone that type of behavior to women at all the British law system is a lot more draconian and less sensible than ours. They are a lot quicker to prosecute and while I have no idea if the two players are guilty or innocent it does not surprise me for a second that this has gone to trial. The faintest sliver of evidence and they will bring it to the courts.
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Re: Ulster 2017 - 2018

Postby Hippo » July 26th, 2017, 8:29 am

desperado wrote:I'm sure you hope that justice prevails.


I was just about to post something similar.
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Re: Ulster 2017 - 2018

Postby Hippo » July 26th, 2017, 8:49 am

sunshiner1 wrote:I remember that Mils Muliana was charged with sexual assault a while back. The police came to his hotel room in Wales arrested him and led him away in handcuffs. It turned out he had allegedly pinched some girls ass in a nightclub. It was thrown out after a few months as rubbish and while I in no way condone that type of behavior to women at all the British law system is a lot more draconian and less sensible than ours. They are a lot quicker to prosecute and while I have no idea if the two players are guilty or innocent it does not surprise me for a second that this has gone to trial. The faintest sliver of evidence and they will bring it to the courts.


Let's not be too quick to generalise about the prosecution of rape. Neither you nor I have any idea at all of the details of this particular matter. As someone who has professional involvement with the justice system (in this State) I can assure you that cases of rape/sexual assault require far more than the 'faintest sliver of evidence' before they get to trial and to extrapolate from the Miliaina case that the CPS are trigger happy in this regard is quite a leap. Muliaina wasn't prosecuted as there was insufficient evidence. The criteria employed by the prosecution services in Belfast may well differ from those used in Cardiff. What is certain is that no-one on this forum will have any useful input into the matter.

TLDR: Let's all shut up about the case until it concludes
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Re: Ulster 2017 - 2018

Postby simonokeeffe » July 26th, 2017, 9:52 am

Hippo wrote:TLDR: Let's all shut up about the case until it concludes


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Re: Ulster 2017 - 2018

Postby Flash Gordon » July 26th, 2017, 10:44 am

Leaving aside the case as I don't think commenting on something nobody knows anything about is really helpful, this is a huge blow for Ulster and Ireland. I'm a Sheffield United fan and the length and nature of the Ched Evans trial blew an almost guaranteed promotion. From an Irish point of view, J10 is constantly being targeted and is not getting any younger so his body will need management when he's available. Joey is currently injured so from an Irish perspective we are pretty vulnerable. Ulster are completely screwed having lost Jackson and Pienaar. I wonder would the IRFU consider throwing the cheque book at the problem and bring Madigan to Ulster?
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Re: Ulster 2017 - 2018

Postby cormac » July 26th, 2017, 10:47 am

Is McPhillips still at Ulster?
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Re: Ulster 2017 - 2018

Postby domhnallj » July 26th, 2017, 10:51 am

Flash Gordon wrote:Leaving aside the case as I don't think commenting on something nobody knows anything about is really helpful, this is a huge blow for Ulster and Ireland. I'm a Sheffield United fan and the length and nature of the Ched Evans trial blew an almost guaranteed promotion. From an Irish point of view, J10 is constantly being targeted and is not getting any younger so his body will need management when he's available. Joey is currently injured so from an Irish perspective we are pretty vulnerable. Ulster are completely screwed having lost Jackson and Pienaar. I wonder would the IRFU consider throwing the cheque book at the problem and bring Madigan to Ulster?


Hasn't he just signed a (rumoured) whooper with Bristol? Getting him out of that might be financially 'problematic' at best.
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Re: Ulster 2017 - 2018

Postby CiaranIrl » July 26th, 2017, 11:21 am

The following wouldn't inspire much confidence if I were an Ulster fan...

Scrum Half
John Cooney
Paul Marshall
Dave Shannahan
Aaron Cairns
Jonny Stewart

Out Half
Peter Nelson
Brett Herron
Jonny McPhillips
Angus Curtis
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Re: Ulster 2017 - 2018

Postby Flash Gordon » July 26th, 2017, 11:29 am

domhnallj wrote:
Flash Gordon wrote:Leaving aside the case as I don't think commenting on something nobody knows anything about is really helpful, this is a huge blow for Ulster and Ireland. I'm a Sheffield United fan and the length and nature of the Ched Evans trial blew an almost guaranteed promotion. From an Irish point of view, J10 is constantly being targeted and is not getting any younger so his body will need management when he's available. Joey is currently injured so from an Irish perspective we are pretty vulnerable. Ulster are completely screwed having lost Jackson and Pienaar. I wonder would the IRFU consider throwing the cheque book at the problem and bring Madigan to Ulster?


Hasn't he just signed a (rumoured) whooper with Bristol? Getting him out of that might be financially 'problematic' at best.


Yep, 500k I believe though 20% less with sterling's depreciation. Top level rugby, international rugby vs playing the Ealing Trailfinders might help though.....from an Irish perspective, we're a bit thin on the ground and as posted and as Ciaran posted, Ulster are totally focked!
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Re: Ulster 2017 - 2018

Postby cormac » July 26th, 2017, 11:45 am

domhnallj wrote:
Flash Gordon wrote:Leaving aside the case as I don't think commenting on something nobody knows anything about is really helpful, this is a huge blow for Ulster and Ireland. I'm a Sheffield United fan and the length and nature of the Ched Evans trial blew an almost guaranteed promotion. From an Irish point of view, J10 is constantly being targeted and is not getting any younger so his body will need management when he's available. Joey is currently injured so from an Irish perspective we are pretty vulnerable. Ulster are completely screwed having lost Jackson and Pienaar. I wonder would the IRFU consider throwing the cheque book at the problem and bring Madigan to Ulster?


Hasn't he just signed a (rumoured) whooper with Bristol? Getting him out of that might be financially 'problematic' at best.


Wonder if they could procure him on a season-long loan? Would no doubt be expensive though.
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Re: Ulster 2017 - 2018

Postby sunshiner1 » July 26th, 2017, 11:57 am

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TLDR: Let's all shut up about the case until it concludes


I've said my piece and happy to let justice take it's course.
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Re: Ulster 2017 - 2018

Postby Flash Gordon » July 26th, 2017, 12:07 pm

cormac wrote:
domhnallj wrote:
Flash Gordon wrote:Leaving aside the case as I don't think commenting on something nobody knows anything about is really helpful, this is a huge blow for Ulster and Ireland. I'm a Sheffield United fan and the length and nature of the Ched Evans trial blew an almost guaranteed promotion. From an Irish point of view, J10 is constantly being targeted and is not getting any younger so his body will need management when he's available. Joey is currently injured so from an Irish perspective we are pretty vulnerable. Ulster are completely screwed having lost Jackson and Pienaar. I wonder would the IRFU consider throwing the cheque book at the problem and bring Madigan to Ulster?


Hasn't he just signed a (rumoured) whooper with Bristol? Getting him out of that might be financially 'problematic' at best.


Wonder if they could procure him on a season-long loan? Would no doubt be expensive though.


Not a bad idea, Bristol should walk it in that division and they have an international fly half in Pisi in place already. I'd honestly be surprised if they lose a game all year but Madigan's salary will put a huge dent in their finances!
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Re: Ulster 2017 - 2018

Postby rooster » July 26th, 2017, 7:02 pm

CiaranIrl wrote:The following wouldn't inspire much confidence if I were an Ulster fan...

Scrum Half
John Cooney
Paul Marshall
Dave Shannahan
Aaron Cairns
Jonny Stewart

Out Half
Peter Nelson
Brett Herron
Jonny McPhillips
Angus Curtis
Nope it does not inspire any confidence at all and was one hell of a reason that Pienaar should have been kept knowing this was pretty much sure to happen after the BBC leaked the original story that they were being questioned, that garnered public interest and any chance of charges being dropped vapourised. It could well be a lengthy court case and I doubt they will feature this season unless a judge takes the stance that evidence is too poor for a full trial, this again is unlikely because of their public standing as players and also the previous media interest. All will become clearer after first court date when charges are put to them on 23rd August.

Meanwhile Ulster have not only lost their preferred 10 but also his backup and none of the alternatives inspire any confidence at all at this stage.
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Re: Ulster 2017 - 2018

Postby CiaranIrl » July 26th, 2017, 9:10 pm

Sign Bryn Gatland as a project player. That would be amazing.
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Re: Ulster 2017 - 2018

Postby rooster » July 26th, 2017, 11:58 pm

CiaranIrl wrote:Sign Bryn Gatland as a project player. That would be amazing.

It certainly would as Munster already have Tyler Bleyendaal as a project.
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Re: Ulster 2017 - 2018

Postby sunshiner1 » July 27th, 2017, 5:51 am

Isn't Bleyendaal IQ this season? If Connacht were allowed sign Deegan who is a project I don't see why Ulster would be not allowed too. It seems to be a free for all at the moment because of the new residency time laws
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Re: Ulster 2017 - 2018

Postby rooster » July 27th, 2017, 9:58 am

sunshiner1 wrote:Isn't Bleyendaal IQ this season? If Connacht were allowed sign Deegan who is a project I don't see why Ulster would be not allowed too. It seems to be a free for all at the moment because of the new residency time laws
Can't see them allowing another project though and there is also the cost to come in so IRFU would have to sanction that as well as I don't see insurance paying out in the circumstances.
There is also the fact that Gatland might not even want to move
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Re: Ulster 2017 - 2018

Postby Dave Cahill » July 27th, 2017, 10:55 am

Gosh, why not? After us treating his father so well?
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Re: Ulster 2017 - 2018

Postby simonokeeffe » July 27th, 2017, 11:30 am

sunshiner1 wrote:Isn't Bleyendaal IQ this season? If Connacht were allowed sign Deegan who is a project I don't see why Ulster would be not allowed too. It seems to be a free for all at the moment because of the new residency time laws


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