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Just watching the game again now. Lots of interesting stuff. Munster really did leave it behind them. That says as much for the weaknesses of Racing as to Munster’s strengths. Munster were patchy- but Jaysus, Racing looked like a worn out Persian carpet: brilliant patches, but threadbare essentially.

Two players I’d highlight for self-indulgence that hurt them; Peter O’Mahony and Simon Zebo. POM churlish petulance has been highlighted already. Unlike some here, I do rate him as a player- obviously not as high as his supporters do. But his behaviour as captain in conceding that penalty and generally not managing the relationship with the referee well, was... brainless!

But Zebo- he was a poem to selfishness personified. It looked like he was consciously trying to create a showreel. The flicks, spins, kicks, diving... the full Works was there.

Both players are in thrall to their own reputations and attendant cliches: POM to his “leadership and intensity”- Zebo to his “X factor and individuality.” POM can still be a very good player; valuable to Ireland- and invaluable to Munster. Zebo- I don’t think he can change. I think Munster have- by accident or design let the right one go.

They should get five points next week and top the group.


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They're having a good whinge about the ref again. It's not the ref (again), it's them. It's their indiscipline.
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Racing looked like a worn out Persian carpet: brilliant patches, but threadbare essentially
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paddyor wrote:They're having a good whinge about the ref again. It's not the ref (again), it's them. It's their indiscipline.
No,no and no Paddy.
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artaneboy wrote: But Zebo- he was a poem to selfishness personified. It looked like he was consciously trying to create a showreel. The flicks, spins, kicks, diving... the full Works was there.
Thought it was really funny today - he tweeted

“Not the result we wanted yesterday
But man I love every time I get to play with my brothers in big games
#SUAF”

but the picture he attached was just of himself!!
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Xanthippe wrote:
artaneboy wrote: But Zebo- he was a poem to selfishness personified. It looked like he was consciously trying to create a showreel. The flicks, spins, kicks, diving... the full Works was there.
Thought it was really funny today - he tweeted

“Not the result we wanted yesterday
But man I love every time I get to play with my brothers in big games
#SUAF”

but the picture he attached was just of himself!!
Yeah- he’s a nice bunch of guys...


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artaneboy wrote:Zebo to his “X factor and individuality.
Sky commentary must have used the word "X factor" at least 10 times during the game
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Xanthippe wrote:
artaneboy wrote: But Zebo- he was a poem to selfishness personified. It looked like he was consciously trying to create a showreel. The flicks, spins, kicks, diving... the full Works was there.
Thought it was really funny today - he tweeted

“Not the result we wanted yesterday
But man I love every time I get to play with my brothers in big games
#SUAF”

but the picture he attached was just of himself!!
Did he means his Munster brother or his Racing brothers?
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Laighin Break wrote:
artaneboy wrote:Zebo to his “X factor and individuality.
Sky commentary must have used the word "X factor" at least 10 times during the game
Is Simon appearing on Cowell's shiw?
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olaf the fat wrote:
Xanthippe wrote:
artaneboy wrote: But Zebo- he was a poem to selfishness personified. It looked like he was consciously trying to create a showreel. The flicks, spins, kicks, diving... the full Works was there.
Thought it was really funny today - he tweeted

“Not the result we wanted yesterday
But man I love every time I get to play with my brothers in big games
#SUAF”

but the picture he attached was just of himself!!
Did he means his Munster brother or his Racing brothers?
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Dave Cahill wrote:
His freres from une autre mere
Is that genuine Franglais? :shock:

I expect that Simon (like me :oops:) is fluent in that dialect anyway.
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Simon Zebo

Ireland honors:
6 nations championship winner

Munster honors:



It easy to poke fun when he comes out with rubbish, but he is caught age wise between some great players in the autumn of their career and great young players just about to usurp him. He should shut and take the plaudits - and wait for a break glass in case of emergency phone call from Joe.
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olaf the fat wrote:Simon Zebo

Ireland honors:
6 nations championship winner

Munster honors:



It easy to poke fun when he comes out with rubbish, but he is caught age wise between some great players in the autumn of their career and great young players just about to usurp him. He should shut and take the plaudits - and wait for a break glass in case of emergency phone call from Joe.
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2011 rabo?
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johng wrote:2011 rabo?
Nah, he didn’t play in that final :twisted:
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Alongside the Zebo interview / diatribe, it's worth noting how well they played against one of the three form teams in France. With a minority of possession they created 5/ 6 try scoring chances and took three. Murray and Keatley directed the pace and width of the game well and Farrell, Conway and, in particular, Earls looked very dangerous in possession. Their front five had a very good outing and handled the gargantuan Racing 92 pack very well.

They would be a very difficult opponent to get in the quarter final, for us or anybody in the Tournament and would certainly be capable of an away q/f win.
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Big Donal jumping on the D4 media bandwagon.
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Ruckedtobits wrote:Alongside the Zebo interview / diatribe, it's worth noting how well they played against one of the three form teams in France. With a minority of possession they created 5/ 6 try scoring chances and took three. Murray and Keatley directed the pace and width of the game well and Farrell, Conway and, in particular, Earls looked very dangerous in possession. Their front five had a very good outing and handled the gargantuan Racing 92 pack very well.

They would be a very difficult opponent to get in the quarter final, for us or anybody in the Tournament and would certainly be capable of an away q/f win.
Thats their big problem at the moment, they were ahead with only minutes left to play yet conspired to give away 2 brainless penalties. Murray, Earls (who is in fantastic form) Stander, and Conway can get them in a position to win any game, only for others to blow it. There seems to be an imbalance somewhere, and not just in player ability - poor discipline and the amount of non-game media stuff tells a bit of a tale.

Hopefully in time the new coach can settle and provide some stability. I'd hope we meet them in the knock outs before that happens! The way things are progressing we have a good chance of playing them again this year in one of the competitions at least.
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artaneboy wrote:Just watching the game again now. Lots of interesting stuff. Munster really did leave it behind them. That says as much for the weaknesses of Racing as to Munster’s strengths. Munster were patchy- but Jaysus, Racing looked like a worn out Persian carpet: brilliant patches, but threadbare essentially.

Two players I’d highlight for self-indulgence that hurt them; Peter O’Mahony and Simon Zebo. POM churlish petulance has been highlighted already. Unlike some here, I do rate him as a player- obviously not as high as his supporters do. But his behaviour as captain in conceding that penalty and generally not managing the relationship with the referee well, was... brainless!

But Zebo- he was a poem to selfishness personified. It looked like he was consciously trying to create a showreel. The flicks, spins, kicks, diving... the full Works was there.

Both players are in thrall to their own reputations and attendant cliches: POM to his “leadership and intensity”- Zebo to his “X factor and individuality.” POM can still be a very good player; valuable to Ireland- and invaluable to Munster. Zebo- I don’t think he can change. I think Munster have- by accident or design let the right one go.

They should get five points next week and top the group.


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Ben Betts is leaving Leicester next season. http://sportinglimerick.com/exclusive-b ... ar-future/
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