Ulster 2018-2019

[wixfjord]

Did you read what you wrote? He didn't report it. He posted on social media about it. If I crash my car and go on to facebook and announce that I've crashed my car doesn't mean that I have reported it. My insurance company doesn't acknowledge that as a "report" and the rugby authorities should not regard an instagram post as a report either.

Ironically you didn't read what I wrote.

[the spoofer]

Did you read what you wrote? He didn't report it. He posted on social media about it. If I crash my car and go on to facebook and announce that I've crashed my car doesn't mean that I have reported it. My insurance company doesn't acknowledge that as a "report" and the rugby authorities should not regard an instagram post as a report either.

Ironically you didn't read what I wrote.

Quote "Not the fact that he did report it on social media"

He did not report it. He posted a cryptic message on social media. If I was in charge I would have told him to either report it or take down his post.

[wixfjord]

Did you read what you wrote? He didn't report it. He posted on social media about it. If I crash my car and go on to facebook and announce that I've crashed my car doesn't mean that I have reported it. My insurance company doesn't acknowledge that as a "report" and the rugby authorities should not regard an instagram post as a report either.

Ironically you didn't read what I wrote.

Quote "Not the fact that he did report it on social media"

He did not report it. He posted a cryptic message on social media. If I was in charge I would have told him to either report it or take down his post.

Ah right, so you chose to misinterpret a word in the post and literally ignore the part where I said:

As everyone has said Zebo should've gone through the proper channels

Fair enough.

[the spoofer]

So until we start to think the way you want us to think we're wrong.

Jesus. This thread really goes from bad to worse.


I think it's as simple as this. If you think let's wait until we get all the facts, but understanding that this is a very serious complaint and the onus is on Ulster Rugby and other to investigate it, then fine.

However, if you're condemning Zebo for talking about it on Twitter or bringing irrelevant stuff like 'he's a joker' into the argument to try discredit him or you're complaining about the 'level of chat' about it (whatever tf that means), then you're not some righteous critical thinker who is being told how to think. You're just a bit of a dick.

Just so we're clear. Zebo's 'history' or that he 'posted it on Instagram' is largely irrelevant.

Read what you posted here, Ulster should investigate a complaint. The point is there wasn't one made other than on social media. Therefore there is nothing to investigate. Either he reports it or should take down the post.

[wixfjord]

So until we start to think the way you want us to think we're wrong.

Jesus. This thread really goes from bad to worse.


I think it's as simple as this. If you think let's wait until we get all the facts, but understanding that this is a very serious complaint and the onus is on Ulster Rugby and other to investigate it, then fine.

However, if you're condemning Zebo for talking about it on Twitter or bringing irrelevant stuff like 'he's a joker' into the argument to try discredit him or you're complaining about the 'level of chat' about it (whatever tf that means), then you're not some righteous critical thinker who is being told how to think. You're just a bit of a dick.

Just so we're clear. Zebo's 'history' or that he 'posted it on Instagram' is largely irrelevant.

Read what you posted here, Ulster should investigate a complaint. The point is there wasn't one made other than on social media. Therefore there is nothing to investigate. Either he reports it or should take down the post.

Yes there is. Racing Metro made a statement on it.

[the spoofer]

My last post on the topic so knock yourself out.

Quote:

"EPCR has not received a formal complaint from Racing 92 regarding any alleged case of verbal abuse of one of the club's players during yesterday's Heineken Champions Cup, Pool 4 match at the Kingspan Stadium," it said. "EPCR is in contact with both Ulster Rugby and Racing 92, and will be making no further comment at this point." .

[wixfjord]

My last post on the topic so knock yourself out.

Quote:

"EPCR has not received a formal complaint from Racing 92 regarding any alleged case of verbal abuse of one of the club's players during yesterday's Heineken Champions Cup, Pool 4 match at the Kingspan Stadium," it said. "EPCR is in contact with both Ulster Rugby and Racing 92, and will be making no further comment at this point."

Dude, you love a bit of semantics don't you? Racing made a statement, as have Ulster. Ulster are investigating and ECPR are awaiting the findings of that.

You misread what I originally posted which is that the fact that he didn't report it properly is the issue and he should've gone through the proper channels, but him reporting it on social shouldn't be an issue.

[LeRouxIsPHat]

I really don't want to keep this going because it's just going around in circles but just wanted to say that I (obviously) agree wholeheartedly with everything wixfjord has said.

There are good reasons why people don't officially report things btw. A friend of mine was racially abused at a Luas stop a few months ago. Her reaction wasn't to report it becuase the whole thing was upsetting, she didn't want to relive it, it wasn't worth the hassle, and would have been impossible to prove. Her reaction was to burst into tears and message her friends, and when she messaged me I didn't think "em, why are you telling me about it?".

Slightly similar situation, I was gouged in a match years ago and didn't report it. I had the mark on my eyeball and the black eye to prove it, and to this day I can vividly remember the feeling of it and could describe what the guy did. After getting treatment I walked up to a lineout and called the guy out on it. He denied it and so did his team mates, so what could I do?

Pointing to the lack of an official complaint or giving out about how a victim reacts is just nonsense. It's not like we're just working off Zebo's ambiguous comment at this stage, the statement from Racing means that we know what he was referring to and that there's weight behind it.

[the spoofer]

I really don't want to keep this going because it's just going around in circles but just wanted to say that I (obviously) agree wholeheartedly with everything wixfjord has said.

There are good reasons why people don't officially report things btw. A friend of mine was racially abused at a Luas stop a few months ago. Her reaction wasn't to report it becuase the whole thing was upsetting, she didn't want to relive it, it wasn't worth the hassle, and would have been impossible to prove. Her reaction was to burst into tears and message her friends, and when she messaged me I didn't think "em, why are you telling me about it?".

Slightly similar situation, I was gouged in a match years ago and didn't report it. I had the mark on my eyeball and the black eye to prove it, and to this day I can vividly remember the feeling of it and could describe what the guy did. After getting treatment I walked up to a lineout and called the guy out on it. He denied it and so did his team mates, so what could I do?

Pointing to the lack of an official complaint or giving out about how a victim reacts is just nonsense. It's not like we're just working off Zebo's ambiguous comment at this stage, the statement from Racing means that we know what he was referring to and that there's weight behind it.

I'm glad you weren't on the Jackson and Olding jury!

[Oldschool]

I really don't want to keep this going because it's just going around in circles but just wanted to say that I (obviously) agree wholeheartedly with everything wixfjord has said.

There are good reasons why people don't officially report things btw. A friend of mine was racially abused at a Luas stop a few months ago. Her reaction wasn't to report it becuase the whole thing was upsetting, she didn't want to relive it, it wasn't worth the hassle, and would have been impossible to prove. Her reaction was to burst into tears and message her friends, and when she messaged me I didn't think "em, why are you telling me about it?".

Slightly similar situation, I was gouged in a match years ago and didn't report it. I had the mark on my eyeball and the black eye to prove it, and to this day I can vividly remember the feeling of it and could describe what the guy did. After getting treatment I walked up to a lineout and called the guy out on it. He denied it and so did his team mates, so what could I do?

Pointing to the lack of an official complaint or giving out about how a victim reacts is just nonsense. It's not like we're just working off Zebo's ambiguous comment at this stage, the statement from Racing means that we know what he was referring to and that there's weight behind it.

I'm glad you weren't on the Jackson and Olding jury!

+1 The lads dodged a bullet there all right.

[Oldschool]

What kind of team are Ulster likely to be able to field and what are the odds of -
1. A TBP win.
2. A win.
3. A TBP draw - unlikely so skip that one but hope for the punter's curse.
4. A TBP + LBP. rare enough
5. A losing TBP rare enough
6. A LBP
7. Nought.
8. What are bookies saying.

[LeRouxIsPHat]

I'm glad you weren't on the Jackson and Olding jury!

+1 The lads dodged a bullet there all right.

Well they're two of the most disgusting comments I've ever seen on here.

[Oldschool]

I'm glad you weren't on the Jackson and Olding jury!

+1 The lads dodged a bullet there all right.

Well they're two of the most disgusting comments I've ever seen on here.

[Oldschool]

Henderson starting and Cooney on bench.
Very good news for Ulster and Ireland.

[FLIP]

I'm glad you weren't on the Jackson and Olding jury!

+1 The lads dodged a bullet there all right.

Well they're two of the most disgusting comments I've ever seen on here.

Saying that having someone presume guilt without evidence is disgusting is pretty disgusting.

[LeRouxIsPHat]

Agree with that, point out who said it and I'll round on them with you.

[FLIP]

Agree with that, point out who said it and I'll round on them with you.

Sorry,don't think I made myself clear there.

You've branded the views of two people, who stated that presumption of guilt in a jury member without evidence would have been a bad thing for Jackson and Olding, disgusting.

Finding that disgusting is disgusting in itself. Innocent until proven guilty is a core part of justice. That which can be asserted without evidence can be refuted without it.

[LeRouxIsPHat]

You were clear, but also wrong.

I said they were disgusting for saying that I would automatically convict people of rape just because they were accused.

Read my posts again to see what I've actually said instead of what you think I've said.

[olaf the fat]

Oh hell - This Ulster thread has jumped back 12 months! - please, this time in not just Ulster saying NO....

[Jackie Brown]

Fair point, the main issue is that Zebo wasn't a good enough victim. Jesus wept.

Jez you're precious.

Social Media is a.place for half wits, trolls and witch hunts.

A racist comment was made by a scumbag, can we get the culprit banned from Ravenhill rather than slandering UR and their supporters on the internet. Can we get a proper investigation, if Zebo heard it then so did tens of others on the Terrace. What was said exactly? Why has an official complaint been received or investigation been initiated? Is Simon willing to elaborate on what happened?

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The irony of you posting this on a Social Media platform on which you regularly troll

I don't troll this site. Do I? It's not social media either, it's a fan forum.

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