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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby deco » November 27th, 2018, 4:35 pm

janeymac08 wrote: a few of you who post on this site who continually bang on about where people are born and if they are not born in Ireland/Munster, they are somehow inferior to the homegrown players, supporters etc.


Au contraire. The non-Munster born players are vastly superior to their Munster born peers. I'm not saying that you're thick, but just in case you are - I'm referring solely to their rugby playing skills.
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby mildlyinterested » November 27th, 2018, 4:40 pm

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FLIP wrote:So the supporters who have history with trans-phobic nicknames for their opposition are trying to claim xenophobia?

You've got as much chance with that one as you've had with winning anything in the last 10 years


I don't know what you are referring to with nickname remark, but I think there are a few of you who post on this site who continually bang on about where people are born and if they are not born in Ireland/Munster, they are somehow inferior to the homegrown players, supporters etc.


who cares where a player is born, it's about homegrown player development and munster's lack of it.

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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby janeymac08 » November 27th, 2018, 5:04 pm

deco wrote:
janeymac08 wrote: a few of you who post on this site who continually bang on about where people are born and if they are not born in Ireland/Munster, they are somehow inferior to the homegrown players, supporters etc.


Au contraire. The non-Munster born players are vastly superior to their Munster born peers. I'm not saying that you're thick, but just in case you are - I'm referring solely to their rugby playing skills.


So, why are you slagging off a German who supports Munster. You see it as some sort of weird blot on Munster's copybook that it acknowledges its non-Munster born supporters and that it is some sort of a plot to steal German players ... or something.

Munster is producing plenty of homegrown players - in fact it probably over achieved (bearing in mind population, schools etc) and Leinster have seriously underachieved up until recently. Just think - half the population in Ireland is in Leinster and there are still only about 3 players who haven't come through the Private School system. How well would Leinster do if it has only four (fairly small) private schools to choose from when a school like Blackrock probably has the same number of pupils as the combined private schools in Munster.
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby ormond lad » November 27th, 2018, 8:13 pm

janeymac08 wrote:
deco wrote:
janeymac08 wrote: a few of you who post on this site who continually bang on about where people are born and if they are not born in Ireland/Munster, they are somehow inferior to the homegrown players, supporters etc.


Au contraire. The non-Munster born players are vastly superior to their Munster born peers. I'm not saying that you're thick, but just in case you are - I'm referring solely to their rugby playing skills.


So, why are you slagging off a German who supports Munster. You see it as some sort of weird blot on Munster's copybook that it acknowledges its non-Munster born supporters and that it is some sort of a plot to steal German players ... or something.

Munster is producing plenty of homegrown players - in fact it probably over achieved (bearing in mind population, schools etc) and Leinster have seriously underachieved up until recently. Just think - half the population in Ireland is in Leinster and there are still only about 3 players who haven't come through the Private School system. How well would Leinster do if it has only four (fairly small) private schools to choose from when a school like Blackrock probably has the same number of pupils as the combined private schools in Munster.
Not quite. Both Cork schools are huge. Not quite Blackrock 1000 or so pupils but still Pres/Christians would each have 700 or so pupils
Only other fee paying rugby schools are rockwell which is mixed so 350 or so lads and Glenstal 250.

Munster is and isnt over achieving. Because there isnt the fee paying schools there should be more work with clubs and analyse of club players beyond those in the munster u18 clubs/u19s set ups but the analysis/assessment of players in Munster u16/18s clubs competitions isnt as good as it should be
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby RAILWAY1 » November 28th, 2018, 2:12 am

As I have stated before there is a big problem in Munster as the whole system of identifying potential players for the future is skewed heavily towards the schools ignoring large areas where the schools do not hold sway. There have been some notable exceptions who have come through from the club system but these are the exceptions rather than the rule and some players are classed as "products" of the schools system even though they played club rugby until under 16 in some cases. Population does play a part but if our administrators in Munster took a more practical long term view we might lessen our need for imports although we will always welcome some strays who can play rugby :D
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby johng » November 29th, 2018, 1:16 pm

Plenty 1st team players in the Munster team - this could be messy. Edinburgh have basically picked our C team given international players unavailable and the 4.5 day turnaround from the last game.


Munster: Mike Haley; Andrew Conway, Chris Farrell, Rory Scannell, Keith Earls; JJ Hanrahan, Conor Murray; Dave Kilcoyne, Niall Scannell, John Ryan; Tadhg Beirne, Billy Holland; Peter O’Mahony (C), Chris Cloete, Arno Botha.

Replacements: Kevin O’Byrne, Jeremy Loughman, Ciaran Parker, Fineen Wycherley, Gavin Coombes, Duncan Williams, Tyler Bleyendaal, Sammy Arnold.
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby johng » November 29th, 2018, 1:17 pm

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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby LeRouxIsPHat » November 29th, 2018, 4:14 pm

I will never get my head around JJ being picked at ten all the time.

Someone mentioned this on a podcast during the week but I was thinking the same thing, I'd love to know why Conway doesn't play at 15 more. I know Munster have Haley so it makes sense for Conway to be on the wing since he arrived, but would have thought Joe would love him as a solid option at the back and it just doesn't seem to be an option. I can remember him looking shaky at fullback when he wasn't long out of school but would would have thought that he has looked really solid for a while now.
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby Oldschool » November 29th, 2018, 8:44 pm

RAILWAY1 wrote:As I have stated before there is a big problem in Munster as the whole system of identifying potential players for the future is skewed heavily towards the schools ignoring large areas where the schools do not hold sway. There have been some notable exceptions who have come through from the club system but these are the exceptions rather than the rule and some players are classed as "products" of the schools system even though they played club rugby until under 16 in some cases. Population does play a part but if our administrators in Munster took a more practical long term view we might lessen our need for imports although we will always welcome some strays who can play rugby :D

That would be better than having to rustle them. :wink:
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby Laighin Break » November 30th, 2018, 10:49 am

LeRouxIsPHat wrote:I will never get my head around JJ being picked at ten all the time.

Someone mentioned this on a podcast during the week but I was thinking the same thing, I'd love to know why Conway doesn't play at 15 more. I know Munster have Haley so it makes sense for Conway to be on the wing since he arrived, but would have thought Joe would love him as a solid option at the back and it just doesn't seem to be an option. I can remember him looking shaky at fullback when he wasn't long out of school but would would have thought that he has looked really solid for a while now.


15 was his position for the U20s wasn't it?
A big part of his game seems to be chasing kicks on the wing, and he's pretty good at it.
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby Logorrhea » November 30th, 2018, 8:45 pm

Shirley Conway should be looking to move province now to ensure he gets game time at his preferred position? I couldnt imagine anyone in Munster standing in his way as he look to improve.
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby blockhead » December 1st, 2018, 1:21 am

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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby nelly the elephant » December 2nd, 2018, 8:02 pm

Logorrhea wrote:Shirley Conway should be looking to move province now to ensure he gets game time at his preferred position? I couldnt imagine anyone in Munster standing in his way as he look to improve.


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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby mildlyinterested » December 4th, 2018, 12:40 pm

Munster Rugby and the IRFU are pleased to confirm 12 player contract extensions for the province.

John Ryan has signed a three-year deal that will see him remain with Munster Rugby until at least June 2022.

Brothers Niall and Rory Scannell, Darren Sweetnam, Jack O’Donoghue, JJ Hanrahan, Alex Wootton, Rhys Marshall and young guns Fineen Wycherley and Calvin Nash have all signed on for a further two years, committing to the province until at least June 2021.

Arno Botha and Jeremy Loughman have signed one-year extensions and will remain with the province until June 2020.
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby dropkick » December 4th, 2018, 2:06 pm

Keatley, Bleyendaal, Williams, Hart, DOC, Taute, Mathewson, Ronan O'Mahony, Fitzgerald, Parker, Sherry have not signed yet. I think most of those won't be around next season.
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby paddyor » December 4th, 2018, 2:16 pm

dropkick wrote:Keatley, Bleyendaal, Williams, Hart, DOC, Taute, Mathewson, Ronan O'Mahony, Fitzgerald, Parker, Sherry have not signed yet. I think they could all be leaving.

Matherwson will be kept until after the RWC. It's a bad look for the franchise to drop Williams for him so expect them to slow roll that.

Taute, Hart, Keatley and Sherry looks surplus to requirements so would be fairly certain they'll go. Don't know enough about ROM/Fitzgerald and Parker. Tough on DOC that they're keeping Botha. Bleyendall is an interesting one, he could be picked up by one of the other privinces.
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby sunshiner1 » December 5th, 2018, 2:29 am

dropkick wrote:

Keatley, Bleyendaal, Williams, Hart, DOC, Taute, Mathewson, Ronan O'Mahony, Fitzgerald, Parker, Sherry have not signed yet. I think they could all be leaving.


Supposedly they are still negotiating with some players so we might see some of that group signed. Hart is definitely going, Taute probably too. Personally I think DOC is going as well, it was 50/50 they were going to keep him last time and he's hardly kicked on since. I would be surprised if Bleyendaal left.

edit: Williams contract is not up until 2019 apparently
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby blockhead » December 7th, 2018, 2:27 pm

Munster team
Munster: Mike Haley; Andrew Conway, Chris Farrell, Rory Scannell, Keith Earls; Joey Carbery, Conor Murray; Dave Kilcoyne, Niall Scannell, John Ryan; Tadhg Beirne, Billy Holland; Peter O’Mahony (C), Chris Cloete, CJ Stander. Replacements: Kevin O’Byrne, Jeremy Loughman, Ciaran Parker, Fineen Wycherley, Arno Botha, Alby Mathewson, JJ Hanrahan, Sammy Arnold

12 of the 23 not from Munster, 5 Leinster lads.
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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby Oldschool » December 7th, 2018, 3:21 pm

blockhead wrote:Munster team
Munster: Mike Haley; Andrew Conway, Chris Farrell, Rory Scannell, Keith Earls; Joey Carbery, Conor Murray; Dave Kilcoyne, Niall Scannell, John Ryan; Tadhg Beirne, Billy Holland; Peter O’Mahony (C), Chris Cloete, CJ Stander. Replacements: Kevin O’Byrne, Jeremy Loughman, Ciaran Parker, Fineen Wycherley, Arno Botha, Alby Mathewson, JJ Hanrahan, Sammy Arnold

12 of the 23 not from Munster, 5 Leinster lads.
But hey! It's not where your from, it's where you belong. :D

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Re: The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

Postby blockhead » December 7th, 2018, 3:25 pm

Oldschool wrote:
blockhead wrote:Munster team
Munster: Mike Haley; Andrew Conway, Chris Farrell, Rory Scannell, Keith Earls; Joey Carbery, Conor Murray; Dave Kilcoyne, Niall Scannell, John Ryan; Tadhg Beirne, Billy Holland; Peter O’Mahony (C), Chris Cloete, CJ Stander. Replacements: Kevin O’Byrne, Jeremy Loughman, Ciaran Parker, Fineen Wycherley, Arno Botha, Alby Mathewson, JJ Hanrahan, Sammy Arnold

12 of the 23 not from Munster, 5 Leinster lads.
But hey! It's not where your from, it's where you belong. :D

Irish by birth Munster by the Grace of God.
Trades description act anyone?


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