The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

[OTT]

Regarding the Thomond Park debt it's easy to not have a debt when you get a stadium gifted to you as is the case for Ulster and Leinster

It is easy to have no debt if you make your debt repayments.

[Dave Cahill]

Its easy to have no debt if you don't deliberately make the choice to put yourself into debt when the option to not go into debt is available to you

[wixfjord]

It's early in the season and they might get it right but right now they are a joke of a club, a poor mans Racing Metro.

I really dislike stuff like this and the above, mainly because it reminds me of the egotistical, hyperbolic nonsense that Munster 'fans' and the media were aiming at us during the 'ladyboys' years.

[paddyor]

Anybody care to contradict even a single point I made, let alone the bulk of what I said, or will we just continue our little circle jerk?

Well I'm not quite sure what you mean by "cut them loose" but I'm guessing you mean stop investing. 5k in attendance is worth between 1and 1.5m in revenue. If the IRFU did that it would crystalize the loss on the investment, leaving them the sole owner of a stadium that no one else wants.

[fourthirtythree]

Anybody care to contradict even a single point I made, let alone the bulk of what I said, or will we just continue our little circle jerk?

Well I'm not quite sure what you mean by "cut them loose" but I'm guessing you mean stop investing. 5k in attendance is worth between 1and 1.5m in revenue. If the IRFU did that it would crystalize the loss on the investment, leaving them the sole owner of a stadium that no one else wants.

We're in it together. Wishing their failure is wishing to cut off your nose to spite your face.

Regarding their produciton of players the IRFU would probably prefer it if they were producing international players every year, but very nearly as happy if there is an oversupply elsewhere to ship them off as long as success for the national team is supported. Same applies to us and Ulster.

[Oldschool]

COYBIB's post is useful in that it crystallised the current position quite clearly.
Cutting Munster loose is not really a solution, however.
Thomond Park is infrastructure. The money has been spent.
In the early sixties CIE 'shut down' a pile of infrastructure and dismantled a good bit of it too.
To what benefit?
For example the Harcourt Street railway line should have been reopened ten years after it was closed.
Eventually decades later it was reopened as a tram line.
I hope that the IRFU doesn't make a similar mistake.
I doubt they will.
Infrastructure should never be wilfully destroyed.

[tomthefan]

Traditionally Leinster and Ulster have been the two major hubs of Irish rugby, I'm talking over the century +, not from 1990 to 2011, they were the first two provinces (unofficially) founded, played unofficially before the branches were formally founded and before a Munster team even existed, Munster were always competitive, but Ulster and Leinster dominated the interpros up until the big Munster purple patch (and a cruel one at that, put egg on a lot of face), it makes sense to focus on those as the big two.

Munster have the same number of Interpro titles from the amateur era as Leinster.

[suisse]

I agree with the comments from those above that EOS is a valued pundit, but not without his flaws. Comparing him to Ryle Nugent and Daire O'Brien is ridiculous given one is a commentator and the other is a presenter. O'Sullivan led Ireland to many wonderful days, not least annihilating England in Croke Park.

In saying that, Monday's rugby on Newstalk was atrocious but it seems to be the case more and more. The presenters and 'experts' are continually flipflopping on issues like JJ Halloran's form. Week 1, he's the main story on MNR and WNR. Next game, he has a nightmare. Jack Carty subjected to the same level of hyperbole this week.

O'Sullivan was very critical or Carbery. He seemed to forget that the reason Carbery is in Limerick is to allow him to work his was through games like that. Be a dominant 10. Maybe it won't work but he's has only a couple of attempts at it in a new team. Too often they're building a player up then knocking down next week. Same with Munster ad a whole. Destroy Cheetahs, everything is great. Destroyed by Cardiff. Everything is terrible. They need to check the sensationalist bullshit and just properly analyse the rugby.

[tomthefan]

I agree with the comments from those above that EOS is a valued pundit, but not without his flaws. Comparing him to Ryle Nugent and Daire O'Brien is ridiculous given one is a commentator and the other is a presenter. O'Sullivan led Ireland to many wonderful days, not least annihilating England in Croke Park.

In saying that, Monday's rugby on Newstalk was atrocious but it seems to be the case more and more. The presenters and 'experts' are continually flipflopping on issues like JJ Halloran's form. Week 1, he's the main story on MNR and WNR. Next game, he has a nightmare. Jack Carty subjected to the same level of hyperbole this week.

O'Sullivan was very critical or Carbery. He seemed to forget that the reason Carbery is in Limerick is to allow him to work his was through games like that. Be a dominant 10. Maybe it won't work but he's has only a couple of attempts at it in a new team. Too often they're building a player up then knocking down next week. Same with Munster ad a whole. Destroy Cheetahs, everything is great. Destroyed by Cardiff. Everything is terrible. They need to check the sensationalist bullshit and just properly analyse the rugby.

EOS wasn't being hyperbolic on Off The Ball, either last week or this, in my opinion.
Last week, speaking of the Cardiff v Munster game, someone said that this was a really important game for Cardiff.
Eddie made the point that it was just as big a game for Munster, ie the facile win over Ospreys would count for little if there wasn't a good performance in Cardiff to back it up.
Which was spot on.
We'd lost one game really badly at that stage and had had two very easy wins against very unimpressive opposition.
The manner of the loss against Cardiff backed up Eddie's implied dismissal of the value of the form shown in the Cheetahs and Ospreys matches.
This week on Carbery he simply made the point that a good 10 has to be able to perform to help out a struggling pack and that Carbery didn't do that against Cardiff.
He was just stating the facts. Carbery has a lot to learn but how could he be otherwise at this stage.

[blockhead]

Flannery

Tyler Bleyendaal, out with a neck injury since February, is being layered back into full training.

“He hasn’t been doing full contact yet but is there or thereabouts,” added Flannery.

So that's good news. Talk of him being finished hopefully wide of the mark. Looked like a good player when he had a bit of a run the season before last.

[fourthirtythree]

I agree with the comments from those above that EOS is a valued pundit, but not without his flaws. Comparing him to Ryle Nugent and Daire O'Brien is ridiculous given one is a commentator and the other is a presenter. O'Sullivan led Ireland to many wonderful days, not least annihilating England in Croke Park.

In saying that, Monday's rugby on Newstalk was atrocious but it seems to be the case more and more. The presenters and 'experts' are continually flipflopping on issues like JJ Halloran's form. Week 1, he's the main story on MNR and WNR. Next game, he has a nightmare. Jack Carty subjected to the same level of hyperbole this week.

O'Sullivan was very critical or Carbery. He seemed to forget that the reason Carbery is in Limerick is to allow him to work his was through games like that. Be a dominant 10. Maybe it won't work but he's has only a couple of attempts at it in a new team. Too often they're building a player up then knocking down next week. Same with Munster ad a whole. Destroy Cheetahs, everything is great. Destroyed by Cardiff. Everything is terrible. They need to check the sensationalist bullshit and just properly analyse the rugby.

That's interesting that he blamed Carbery for the Munster pack's failure at the weekend, most supporters blamed it on WIlliams. Just like last year they blamed their pack being blown away by Racing on Keatley (not only did he not mess up their lineout, he rescued it!). They're going to have to stick with Carbery surely, that's the entire point of moving the guy under duress. To give him experience of games like this when his pack is being blown off the ball.

[Peg Leg]

Flannery

Tyler Bleyendaal, out with a neck injury since February, is being layered back into full training.

“He hasn’t been doing full contact yet but is there or thereabouts,” added Flannery.

So that's good news. Talk of him being finished hopefully wide of the mark. Looked like a good player when he had a bit of a run the season before last.

Class, I thought he was hanging in for the insurers. Great news.

[tomthefan]

Flannery

Tyler Bleyendaal, out with a neck injury since February, is being layered back into full training.

“He hasn’t been doing full contact yet but is there or thereabouts,” added Flannery.

So that's good news. Talk of him being finished hopefully wide of the mark. Looked like a good player when he had a bit of a run the season before last.

Class, I thought he was hanging in for the insurers. Great news.

Can you explain what you mean when you refer to insurance, what would be the angle there?

It's great that it looks like he might be fit to play again but at the same time I have a feeling of uneasiness about him exposing his neck to
more punishment

[Oldschoolsocks]

I agree with the comments from those above that EOS is a valued pundit, but not without his flaws. Comparing him to Ryle Nugent and Daire O'Brien is ridiculous given one is a commentator and the other is a presenter. O'Sullivan led Ireland to many wonderful days, not least annihilating England in Croke Park.

In saying that, Monday's rugby on Newstalk was atrocious but it seems to be the case more and more. The presenters and 'experts' are continually flipflopping on issues like JJ Halloran's form. Week 1, he's the main story on MNR and WNR. Next game, he has a nightmare. Jack Carty subjected to the same level of hyperbole this week.

O'Sullivan was very critical or Carbery. He seemed to forget that the reason Carbery is in Limerick is to allow him to work his was through games like that. Be a dominant 10. Maybe it won't work but he's has only a couple of attempts at it in a new team. Too often they're building a player up then knocking down next week. Same with Munster ad a whole. Destroy Cheetahs, everything is great. Destroyed by Cardiff. Everything is terrible. They need to check the sensationalist bullshit and just properly analyse the rugby.

Comparing EOS to Ryle Mugent Andy Tony Ward is absolutely valid. They are three people who talk to the Telly about rugby.

He was a brilliant coach, he’s an annoying person to listen to in the Telly-

[LeRouxIsPHat]

I didn't hear EOS yesterday but as far as I know he was the first person to publicly suggest that Joey should move and it was for the very reason that he had to play games and make mistakes so that he'd learn from them. I've heard him criticise Joey before but it was very much in a "but that's going to happen at his age and he'll learn from it" kind of way.

[paddyor]

Can you explain what you mean when you refer to insurance, what would be the angle there?

It's great that it looks like he might be fit to play again but at the same time I have a feeling of uneasiness about him exposing his neck to
more punishment

Insurance won't pay out if you can actually return to play. Remember Chisholm a few seasons ago?

[paddyor]

That's interesting that he blamed Carbery for the Munster pack's failure at the weekend, most supporters blamed it on WIlliams. Just like last year they blamed their pack being blown away by Racing on Keatley (not only did he not mess up their lineout, he rescued it!). They're going to have to stick with Carbery surely, that's the entire point of moving the guy under duress. To give him experience of games like this when his pack is being blown off the ball.

The other scape goat is Sherry teh 3rd/4th choice Hooker. No mention of Cronin 3/1 tackles and 4 carries. It was a team effort and they deserved to lose, think Cardiff were really stung coming into the game losing 3 games in the last 3 minutes and that's what made it such a pasting. They were playing for there season.

[mildlyinterested]

Remember the last time Munster won something?

[tomthefan]

Can you explain what you mean when you refer to insurance, what would be the angle there?

It's great that it looks like he might be fit to play again but at the same time I have a feeling of uneasiness about him exposing his neck to
more punishment

Insurance won't pay out if you can actually return to play. Remember Chisholm a few seasons ago?

Ah right thanks, I remember hearing innuendos but never the full explanation

[tomthefan]

Remember the last time Munster won something?

Hmmm., the same year you won something before this year?