The Province Formerly Known As Munster 2018-19

[mildlyinterested]

Remember the last time Munster won something?

Hmmm., the same year you won something before this year?

[fourthirtythree]

That's interesting that he blamed Carbery for the Munster pack's failure at the weekend, most supporters blamed it on WIlliams. Just like last year they blamed their pack being blown away by Racing on Keatley (not only did he not mess up their lineout, he rescued it!). They're going to have to stick with Carbery surely, that's the entire point of moving the guy under duress. To give him experience of games like this when his pack is being blown off the ball.

The other scape goat is Sherry teh 3rd/4th choice Hooker. No mention of Cronin 3/1 tackles and 4 carries. It was a team effort and they deserved to lose, think Cardiff were really stung coming into the game losing 3 games in the last 3 minutes and that's what made it such a pasting. They were playing for there season.

Yeah, we were really very lucky to snatch a win there. Their (Cardiff's) other two losses were late and could have gone the other way too. Cardiff could not afford another loss at home. They were much more desperate than Munster had to be. Plus Munster really don't care about the league. More foreigners and Leinster lads might fix that problem I guess.

[tomthefan]

More foreigners and Leinster lads might fix that problem I guess.

Not for the present, we're still training up the ones we've already taken in!

[johng]

Remember the last time Munster won something?

Hmmm., the same year you won something before this year?

Should we list the trophies we've won in the 7 seasons since you won the Rabo or the 10 Seasons since you won the Heino? Seeing as youse (sorry YE) don't respect the League

[tomthefan]

Should we list the trophies we've won in the 7 seasons since you won the Rabo or the 10 Seasons since you won the Heino? Seeing as youse (sorry YE) don't respect the League

You don't need my permission, John

[johng]

It'd take too long.

[Oldschool]

I agree with the comments from those above that EOS is a valued pundit, but not without his flaws. Comparing him to Ryle Nugent and Daire O'Brien is ridiculous given one is a commentator and the other is a presenter. O'Sullivan led Ireland to many wonderful days, not least annihilating England in Croke Park.

In saying that, Monday's rugby on Newstalk was atrocious but it seems to be the case more and more. The presenters and 'experts' are continually flipflopping on issues like JJ Halloran's form. Week 1, he's the main story on MNR and WNR. Next game, he has a nightmare. Jack Carty subjected to the same level of hyperbole this week.
O'Sullivan was very critical or Carbery. He seemed to forget that the reason Carbery is in Limerick is to allow him to work his was through games like that. Be a dominant 10. Maybe it won't work but he's has only a couple of attempts at it in a new team. Too often they're building a player up then knocking down next week. Same with Munster ad a whole. Destroy Cheetahs, everything is great. Destroyed by Cardiff. Everything is terrible. They need to check the sensationalist bullshit and just properly analyse the rugby.

Spot, Cardiff are a good, Eos and Munster may have underestimated them before the game and then in typical Munster scapegoat had to blame a player for the performance instead of asking questions about the coaching performance and the management performance that keeps chopping and changing its' coaches and thereby undermining them.

[Oldschool]

I agree with the comments from those above that EOS is a valued pundit, but not without his flaws. Comparing him to Ryle Nugent and Daire O'Brien is ridiculous given one is a commentator and the other is a presenter. O'Sullivan led Ireland to many wonderful days, not least annihilating England in Croke Park.

In saying that, Monday's rugby on Newstalk was atrocious but it seems to be the case more and more. The presenters and 'experts' are continually flipflopping on issues like JJ Halloran's form. Week 1, he's the main story on MNR and WNR. Next game, he has a nightmare. Jack Carty subjected to the same level of hyperbole this week.

O'Sullivan was very critical or Carbery. He seemed to forget that the reason Carbery is in Limerick is to allow him to work his was through games like that. Be a dominant 10. Maybe it won't work but he's has only a couple of attempts at it in a new team. Too often they're building a player up then knocking down next week. Same with Munster ad a whole. Destroy Cheetahs, everything is great. Destroyed by Cardiff. Everything is terrible. They need to check the sensationalist bullshit and just properly analyse the rugby.

Comparing EOS to Ryle Mugent Andy Tony Ward is absolutely valid. They are three people who talk to the Telly about rugby.

He was a brilliant coach, he’s an annoying person to listen to in the Telly-

He was a good coach but not a great(brilliant) coach.
Yeah he's an annoying pundit.

[tomthefan]

...the management performance that keeps chopping and changing its' coaches and thereby undermining them.

So Kidney left Munster in 2002 to join the Ireland coaching team and was replaced by Alan Gaffney who
left Munster in 2005 to join the Australian coaching team and was replaced by Declan Kidney who
left Munster in 2008 to became Ireland coach and was replaced by Tony McGahan who
left Munster in 2012 to join the Australian coaching team and was replaced by Rob Penney who
left Munster in 2014 because he wanted a longer contract than the one on offer and who was replaced by the late Anthony Foley who
was succeeded by Rassie Erasmus in 2016 who left Munster to become SA coach.

Of the six coaches we've had since 1998, not one was dismissed, whereas in Leinster's case...

[paddyor]

MOC wasn't dismissed he finished his 2 years and wasn't offered a new contract.

Since Kidney left, you've had
McGahan
Penney
Foley
Erasmus
JVG

It doesn't seem that bad over ten years but it's basically 4 in 6 which isn't good. Foley and Ersamus are the only real mistakes IMO.

[Oldschool]

MOC wasn't dismissed he finished his 2 years and wasn't offered a new contract.

Since Kidney left, you've had
McGahan
Penney
Foley
Erasmus
JVG

It doesn't seem that bad over ten years but it's basically 4 in 6 which isn't good. Foley and Ersamus are the only real mistakes IMO.

Put another way Penney was the one that shouldn't have got away.

[johng]

MOC wasn't dismissed he finished his 2 years and wasn't offered a new contract.

Oh he was sacked ok.

[Xanthippe]

MOC wasn't dismissed he finished his 2 years and wasn't offered a new contract.

Oh he was sacked ok.

'Technically' so was Anthony Foley - did he not find out he was being replaced at a press conference?

[cormac]

Munster fans were absolutely delighted to get rid of McGahan. They'd been howling for him to get sacked for at least a season and some for longer.

[Peg Leg]

Munster fans were absolutely delighted to get rid of McGahan. They'd been howling for him to get sacked for at least a season and some for longer.

And then Foley was foisted upon man he would work to oust prior to being undermined by his own employers bizarre installation of an assistant/manager/coach/boss....

[deco]

Munster fans were absolutely delighted to get rid of McGahan. They'd been howling for him to get sacked for at least a season and some for longer.

And then Foley was foisted upon man he would work to oust prior to being undermined by his own employers bizarre installation of an assistant/manager/coach/boss....

Joke of a club

[mildlyinterested]

Leinster have won 2 european cups(2012, 2018), 1 challenge cup(2013) and 3 Pro titles(2013, 2014, 2018) since Munster last won a trophy: Pro 12(2011)

[blockhead]

Who was the last Leinster coach not to take home a trophy?

[johng]

Declan Kidney?

Think him and Gary Ella were the only 2 not to do so.

[tomthefan]

Thanks mildly.
What your figures make stark is how beneficial it is to play almost every game at home.
Everyone knows this already of course, getting a home QF is almost a ticket to the semis. But when your semi in a neutral ground is actually in your home ground also? And then when the final is as well? I seem to remember Munster getting home country advantage against Leinster a couple of times and then playing the match in leinster's home stadium! You couldn't make it up. In fact Munster have never had a home semi final in the hc and yet have still managed to get to 4 finals. How many finals have Leinster gotten to playing away in the semis?
Anyway thanks again for going to all the trouble of looking this up my behalf, fascinating reading.