janeymac08 wrote:EarthGorilla wrote:The best and least self aware line from that comedy article is this:
"Our ownership model is different, we’re run by the clubs of Munster. We are a product of the clubs, all the volunteers, all the work they do every Saturday, Sunday, that’s what feeds into Munster and it’s trying to make the most of that and have a more inclusive model, integrating within our communities that bit more.”
Its factual though, in the same way that Leinster is a product of the Leinster Schools, Munster is a product of its clubs. Leinster have a great thing going on with the schools, Munster need to get to the same situation with the clubs.
It is factual in words and premise only. The reality is that they have transitioned to South Africa, trying to lure promising Leinster players, medical jokers and NIQ exceptions and trying to poach our academy guys, in significant more abundance than any of this nonsense about their clubs.
They won't get that thing going ever if they keep looking at promising and talented guys like Bill Johnston and thinking "we'll just take a better player from Leinster instead".
janeymac08 wrote:olaf the fat wrote:Fair play to them. You gotta have a plan, but "We Rise By Lifting Each Other" at the moment should read "We Rise By Lifting players from others"
I just don't understand why anyone would think this way. Do you really have a problem with lads who see a better career elsewhere moving there? Take Andrew Conway, what the hell is wrong with him playing for Munster, or indeed Sean Cronin playing for Leinster. Would you prefer if they spent most their career playing AIL in their own Province.
Andrew Conway is an awful one for you to use. His last 2 games for Leinster were the Challenge Cup Final and the Pro 12 Final. Hardly AIL.
Cronin is another poor example. He played a grand total of 2 career games for Munster, and went to Connacht to get opportunities and then wound up with us. Exact same route as Tadgh Beirne or Robin Copeland. Nobody is complaining about them.
There is no replica of the Carbery situation for you to try to use in reverse to justify. The go to manual has been the previous for Conway, who was out of contract, but not starved of opportunity, the aforementioned Cronin / Beirne parallel. The other one is perceived precedent with Stephen Keogh and Trevor Hogan. But Munster got Niall Ronan and another whose name currently eludes me so it was not a one sided deal.
The issue here, is that Munster approached a contracted Leinster player without consequence and what we are seeing and hearing now is that the Carbery move has emboldened them to continue down this path. I fully expect them to make representations for one of Deegan or Doris. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried for Jack McGrath and Andrew Porter. You know, for the benefit of the national team. Until this cr@p is nipped in the bud by the IRFU, which it won't, then Leinster fans will continue to see Munster as a joke and be vocally angry about it.
